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I either risk it, or I do not start.

You can't confront a nuclear power without risking that scenario. However, in the long run it may prove better to do it while they still cannot shoot ICBMs as far as to Europe, what of course doe snot mean they could not take revenge by nuclear smuggle and proliferation - the nuclear terror option having been my much greater concern since long time anyway, compared to Iran or Pakistan getting ICBMs.

every Pakistani should be clear about that for each of his 50 bombs that he drops, a hundred American, British and French ICBMC come flying back. On the other hand, western civilisartion is far mor vulnerable to just even one nuclear bomb hitting a Western metropole.

Let'S build a time machine, go back to when Pakistan still had no nukesl and THEN crush it and delete it from the map, forever. Would have saved the region and world stability many worries. It has been a centre of "evil", so to speak, since its very beginning. Hell, it was even born in and through violence. 750 thousand people got killed during the founding time when Muslims and Hindus had to move due to the splitting of British India. It was about forming an islamic country, of course.

Maybe we could start a fight between India and Pakistan, instead?

That way the only harm to Western civilization would be millions of people unable to get tech support for Windows:D

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Originally Posted by mrbeast

...The military can only go so far; at some point we are going to have to sit down and talk to some of these people and try to find an acceptable political solution....

Hahahaha! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: That's the funniest damn idea I've seen out of you yet! Sit down an negotiate with the same people who sent 4 aircraft and thousands of lives to their deaths. Sharia law is all that will appease them politically! Are you ready to accept that? Ready to bow down to their religion and pay tax if you don't? Do you ever think anything through? Just a question.

-S

Actually I ,might ask you the same question; does a thought ever cross your mind when you post boneheaded, gung-ho nonsense like this. :hmm:

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Originally Posted by mrbeast

...The military can only go so far; at some point we are going to have to sit down and talk to some of these people and try to find an acceptable political solution....

Actually I ,might ask you the same question; does a thought ever cross your mind when you post boneheaded, gung-ho nonsense like this. :hmm:

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Maybe we could start a fight between India and Pakistan, instead?

That way the only harm to Western civilization would be millions of people unable to get tech support for Windows:D

:rotfl: good one!

If you don't work on-change-break the tribal system you'll just be another "passing by conquerer". They had many. They either fought them or waited them out. In either case they didn't "change". And that is their victory! So you need a social engineering plan. Maybe a fundamental change in the traditional economy so as to bring people from their villages to the 4 or 5 bigger cities. In this context maybe the real enemy isn't the taliban but the puppy flower!:yep:

Anyway I think that, for the US, Afganistan is actually a "secondary target" when compaped to Iraq. Maybe this is the reason behind the stalemate.

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Newsflash: the people that hijacked those 4 aircraft died on the aircraft... :roll:

I think you're also confusing Al Quaeda, Taliban and anti-government tribal groups. They're not all the same thing.

There needs to be more pragmatism than this, that's for sure. You can lump everyone into black-and-white categories, and that way just make enemies of everyone. Which I don't think even the US can afford.

Al Queida is not allowed to move without Taliban approval at the time. So don't give me that nonsense. And just who do you think the anti-gov tribals are?

-S

I don't think anyone knows who the 'tribals' are and that is the problem.

CCIP is right though, we(USA) need to decide exactly how many enemies we are willing to make. If we are really in a 'War on Terror', in all the forms it may take, and not just concentrating on hounding Al Quaida......we're sunk. You don't defeat a tactic anymore than you defeat murder or rape. I fear we made a big mistake treating 9-11 as a 'act of war' instead of a horrific 'crime'.