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Letum 09-27-08 06:05 AM

Qd4-f4

Skybird 09-27-08 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Qd4-f4

10... Bf8-d6

I wonder if Bc5 wouldn't be better. Tossing a coin...

Letum 09-27-08 09:35 AM

Qf4-g5


Quote:

Somehow I was not able to punish your queer opening
I have never studied set moves or openings.
I value my ignorance as a lesson in skinning cats.
Perhaps this early game is a case in point.

Skybird 09-27-08 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Qf4-g5


Quote:

Somehow I was not able to punish your queer opening
I have never studied set moves or openings.
I value my ignorance as a lesson in skinning cats.
Perhaps this early game is a case in point.

11... h7-h6

Now its getting interesting. I calculated for an extremely asymmetrical endgame. :ping:

Letum 09-27-08 10:22 AM

I don't get it. Am I missing something here?

Qg5xg7


*edit*
Fook I am.

UnderseaLcpl 09-27-08 10:22 AM

:o :o :o :o :-?

Letum 09-27-08 10:27 AM

Gah...looks like I might have to resign.....

Give me a few moments to think....

Could you post a screenshot of the board please?

Letum 09-27-08 10:31 AM

*Hands back towel*

Nah, I'm ok. ;)

Skybird 09-27-08 10:32 AM

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/831/image30mv2.jpg

A bit early to resign, I would say.

And do not trust the formula - that is no Reti opening, really, it is not, in no way.

Letum 09-27-08 10:34 AM

I thought I saw a horrible checkmate.
but it isn't there. I was just thinking aloud.
Thats a bad habit of mine, even in text.

Your move.

Quote:

And do not trust the formula - that is no Reti opening, really, it is not, in no way
Formula? Reti opening? WHAT?!

edit:
*googles*
*dies of jargon*

edit2: so the Reti opening is just any opening with the KN? Why does that need a name?!

Skybird 09-27-08 10:45 AM

yours 12 Qg5xg7

such impertinence needs to be punished - if you think I did not see that, sorry, you were wrong http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Fr...a.at_02706.gif


12... Ke8-e7

Skybird 09-27-08 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
edit2: so the Reti opening is just any opening with the KN? Why does that need a name?!

KN? what's that?

Reti is an opening that sees White moving Nf3 as an opening, and that does not later traverse into a different system like queens Indian, which I choosed because as a Reti player with White myself I know how sharp and dangerous it can become. However, Queens Indian like I choosed by b6 (instead b5) sees Black having the plan to block the centre for white by controlling and moving pawns to d5 and e4 and defending them with the bishop on b7, also countering the White bishop on g2 - the diagonal the white bishop tries to support by moving to g2 is one of the keys in this variation. when you exchanged that bishop voluntarily, you directly played into the hands of Black's intention, and also weakened the king'S position. I just do not know Queens Indian good enough to take more longtermed advantage from that strategic error, it never was part of my repertoire 20 years ago. It is said to be a solid defense, but dooming Black to remain passive - something that I have come to see now. While I think I stand better than you, i also never saw any real chance to strike at you without needing to gamble that you would not see the threat I raise. But I consider plans that depend on the opponent cooperating to be weak plans, and thus played more solid. The passivity and lacking offensive chances seem to be the price for that.

Letum 09-27-08 10:58 AM

Nc3-d5 Check

KN = Knig's knight. The only notation I ever used went:


As seen from white:
QR8,QN8,QB8,Q8,K8,KB8,KN8,KR8
QR7,QN7,QB7,Q7,K7,KB7,KN7,KR7
QR6,QN6,QB6,Q6,K6,KB6,KN6,KR6
QR5,QN5,QB5,Q5,K5,KB5,KN5,KR5
QR4,QN4,QB4,Q4,K4,KB4,KN4,KR4
QR3,QN3,QB3,Q3,K3,KB3,KN3,KR3
QR2,QN2,QB2,Q2,K2,KB2,KN2,KR2
QR1,QN1,QB1,Q1,K1,KB1,KN1,KR1

As seen from black:
KR8,KN8,KB8,K8,Q8,QB8,QN8,QR8
KR7,KN7,KB7,K7,Q7,QB7,QN7,QR7
KR6,KN6,KB6,K6,Q6,QB6,QN6,QR6
KR5,KN5,KB5,K5,Q5,QB5,QN5,QR5
KR4,KN4,KB4,K4,Q4,QB4,QN4,QR4
KR3,KN3,KB3,K3,Q3,QB3,QN3,QR3
KR2,KN2,KB2,K2,Q2,QB2,QN2,QR2
KR1,KN1,KB1,K1,Q1,QB1,QN1,QR1


The advantage being that this notation can be used from both sides of the board and still work.
Perhaps it is old fashioned now or perhaps just English and not used elsewhere. I don't know.


Quote:

Reti is an opening that sees White moving Nf3 as an opening, and that does not later traverse into a different system like queens Indian, which I choosed because as a Reti player with White myself I know how sharp and dangerous it can become. However, Queens Indian like I choosed by b6 (instead b5) sees Black having the plan to block the centre for white by controlling and moving pawns to d5 and e4 and defending them with the bishop on b7, also countering the White bishop on g2 - the diagonal the white bishop tries to support by moving to g2 is one of the keys in this variation. when you exchanged that bishop voluntarily, you directly played into the hands of Black's intention, and also weakened the king'S position. I just do not know Queens Indian good enough to take more longtermed advantage from that strategic error, it never was part of my repertoire 20 years ago. It is said to be a solid defense, but dooming Black to remain passive - something that I have come to see now. While I think I stand better than you, i also never saw any real chance to strike at you without needing to gamble that you would not see the threat I raise. But I consider plans that depend on the opponent cooperating to be weak plans, and thus played more solid. The passivity and lacking offensive chances seem to be the price for that.
haha...I don't like chess nearly enough to read or try to understand that.
Its enough to make me want to go back to snakes and ladders.

Skybird 09-27-08 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Nc3-d5 Check

Bad knight.

13... Nf6xd5 smack!

Ah, that makes me wishing that Conan were here. He knew so very well what is best in life.

Skybird 09-27-08 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Nc3-d5 Check

KN = Knig's knight. The only notation I ever used went:

The advantage being that this notation can be used from both sides of the board and still work.

What advantage is there? All notation works from both sides of the board.

Letum 09-27-08 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Nc3-d5 Check

KN = Knig's knight. The only notation I ever used went:

The advantage being that this notation can be used from both sides of the board and still work.

What advantage is there? All notation works from both sides of the board.


With your notation white's second line is x2 and black's second line is x7.
With the notation I was taught white's second line is x2 and black's second line is
also x2.

Skybird 09-27-08 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Nc3-d5 Check

KN = Knig's knight. The only notation I ever used went:

The advantage being that this notation can be used from both sides of the board and still work.

What advantage is there? All notation works from both sides of the board.


With your notation white's second line is x2 and black's second line is x7.
With the notation I was taught white's second line is x2 and black's second line is
also x2.

So...?

Letum 09-27-08 11:24 AM

Bc1xh6 / QB1xKN6 (or from your point of view QB8xKN2)

Letum 09-27-08 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Nc3-d5 Check

KN = Knig's knight. The only notation I ever used went:

The advantage being that this notation can be used from both sides of the board and still work.

What advantage is there? All notation works from both sides of the board.

With your notation white's second line is x2 and black's second line is x7.
With the notation I was taught white's second line is x2 and black's second line is
also x2.

So...?

It makes more sense to call the 2nd line, the 2nd line, rather than the 7th.

*edit* to put it more clearly:

It makes more sense to call Black's second line, blacks 2nd line, rather than White's 8th line.

Skybird 09-27-08 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Bc1xh6 / QB1xKN6 (or from your point of view QB8xKN2)

14... Ra8-g8

Are you missing something important elsewhere, or why are you suddenly trying to commit Harakiri? :huh: Until 12.Qg5 i really felt helpless a bit. Now you brought me into a superior position. It's so extreme a sudden change in your play, I don't understand that.


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