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AVGWarhawk 06-25-08 01:59 PM
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Polls are crap and should all be dismissed.

My 10p worth. :lol:
And 10p on the money! :D

-S
:lol:


People should read what these guys offer and watch them debating and so on, not base there vote on who is ahead in the polls.

My £2 worth. :D
Intellectual thinking at it's best...absolutely Steed, following the polls like lemmings to the sea is ridiculous.
Well if intellectual thinking placed a candidate in the White House then what is Bush doing there?

Like it or not, polls drive the 8 'o'clock news and get you noticed and get you elected. Good or bad, that is the real world of politics.
How did Bush get in the White House? Did you take a look at the other candidates during that campaign or just the polls? I guess the polls put Bush there. Polls mean squat to me and those that surround me daily. No way, shape or form is a poll real world politics. The real data is gotten from the voting machines is the real world politic. Polls are nothing more than to swing those that just go with the flow. That is real world stupidity IMO.

Schroeder 06-25-08 02:01 PM
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Obama is just a toy for Omphra Winpray. :p

He'll lead us down a road that will go nowhere but to diaster.
Even worse than Bush jr. ?:hmm:

AVGWarhawk 06-25-08 02:04 PM
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RealClearPolitics average of all the polls shows Obama with a 6.9% lead over McCain

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
I guess that is not across all polls now is it? Hmmm... What happened to everyone saying this? I only see 2 that are double digit. The rest are inline with a 3% to 6% difference - probably well within the margin of error, and since repubs are typically the ones you see with no comment, figure it out.

-S
Over 100 odd and more polls across the country give Obama a lead off average 6 to 10% over McCain. I think 3 or 4 in that total give McCain a lead. LA Times, Gallup Rasmussen, Newsweek, USA Today AND even Fox News put Obama out in front. And remember, he is playing catchup to McCain. Refer my original post, once he is up and running McCain is going to have a fight on his hands that will make the headache that Hillary experienced a raving migraine.

Let's face it, this part of the campaign is just a formality. Obama will be in the White House. One part of me says let the man roll on in and take the reigns and the other part is apprehensive with his lack of experience. Either way, I think Obama is in for a rude awakening.

FIREWALL 06-25-08 02:08 PM
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McCain will probably use Condeleesa Rice as his trump card as VP and get the black and the women vote. :yep:


Condi has already said she doesn't want the veep job.


As is your habit, You didn't read ALL the article.

At near the end of the article about the 3 women he could choose for running mates , " It's to early for anyone to commit as is usual practice."

At this early stage McCain is courting many canidates for VP.

But HE knows and SHE knows and the PARTY knows Rice will get him in the WhiteHouse.

PeriscopeDepth 06-25-08 02:17 PM
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McCain will probably use Condeleesa Rice as his trump card as VP and get the black and the women vote. :yep:

Condi has already said she doesn't want the veep job.

As is your habit, You didn't read ALL the article.

At near the end of the article about the 3 women he could choose for running mates , " It's to early for anyone to commit as is usual practice."

At this early stage McCain is courting many canidates for VP.

But HE knows and SHE knows and the PARTY knows Rice will get him in the WhiteHouse.
Making a Bush admin player and former Chevron exec his VP will not play well with anyone, and would be a mistake.

And IMO, Rice topped out as President of Stanford. She is way out of her league.

PD

August 06-25-08 02:26 PM
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As is your habit, You didn't read ALL the article.

 At near the end of the article about the 3 women he could choose for running mates , " It's to early for anyone to commit as is usual practice."

 At this early stage McCain is courting many canidates for VP.

 But HE knows and SHE knows and the PARTY knows Rice will get him in the WhiteHouse.
First off you didn't post an article, so no I didn't read what you didn't post. :roll:

Second I don't care what someone else wrote about his chances with her as veep. SHE has said she WILL NOT run. Anything else is useless speculation.

AVGWarhawk 06-25-08 02:43 PM
Anyway, look at the poll in the who will be the next president thread. Hillary had everyone beat. :hmm:

FIREWALL 06-25-08 02:43 PM
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As is your habit, You didn't read ALL the article.

At near the end of the article about the 3 women he could choose for running mates , " It's to early for anyone to commit as is usual practice."

At this early stage McCain is courting many canidates for VP.

But HE knows and SHE knows and the PARTY knows Rice will get him in the WhiteHouse.
First off you didn't post an article, so no I didn't read what you didn't post. :roll:

Second I don't care what someone else wrote about his chances with her as veep. SHE has said she WILL NOT run. Anything else is useless speculation.

In your little world maybe. :doh:

Iceman 06-25-08 02:49 PM
Change we can believe in...yea right lol. :)

AVGWarhawk 06-25-08 03:14 PM
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...80bbe82c46.jpg

AVGWarhawk 06-25-08 03:22 PM
Now what?


http://www.gallup.com/poll/108376/Ga...n-Tied-45.aspx

Tchocky 06-25-08 03:23 PM
Now what/ Well, a tie is just as relevant to Novembers election as a statistically insignificant lead.

Actually, that TIME article's last paragraph is a decent summation

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Unlike McCain, however, no amount of careful brand positioning will stop an Obama presidency from signifying undeniable and historic change: he would be the first black President, the first Democrat in the White House since Bill Clinton and the first President of his generation. He has already revolutionized the way people donate to, and help organize, campaigns. All of which means that Obama faces a unique political challenge. As he tries to maintain the fervent grass-roots enthusiasm that has gotten him this far while appealing to enough independents to take him to the White House, the Illinois Senator must both disprove and prove the old adage that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Iceman 06-25-08 03:27 PM
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Lol...let the debates begin...and then we can come back to the polls.

SUBMAN1 06-25-08 03:39 PM
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The 'No opinion' are likely republicans, so add them to the McCain camp.

-S

Tchocky 06-25-08 04:56 PM
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The 'No opinion' are likely republicans, so add them to the McCain camp.

-S
thereby increasing the accuracy of the survey :-?

McCain isn't attracting full Republican support anyway, same way Obama isn't getting all the Dems.

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As a colleague observed to me today, you know a campaign is worried about its poll numbers when it actually sends around a memo arguing that the polling involved was done badly. Well, that's what John McCain's campaign did today, distributing a memo we've made available for download in PDF form here.

Platapus 06-25-08 05:11 PM
Polls are just a data source. They are not intrinsically right or wrong. There are many variables in interpreting poll results and there are many biases (some intentional, many unintentional.

I would point out that these are June polls and have historically been not that accurate.

November is a long time away, we can't get excited/upset over every single poll over the next four months.

JetSnake 06-25-08 05:57 PM
The polls typically show the democrat nominee ahead (Bush was behind in the polls during the past two elections and still won). The electoral votes are what counts anyway. Dukakis was 15 points ahead in the polls while he lost big time to Reagan. Take what you may, but pollsters typically poll in democrat areas. They have access to voter registration information and utilize it to skew results.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...g?t=1214435093

AVGWarhawk 06-25-08 06:32 PM
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November is a long time away, we can't get excited/upset over every single poll over the next four months.

Sure is more time.....to find more skeletons in Obamas and McCains closets. :roll: I hope it does not get ugly.

Platapus 06-25-08 07:22 PM
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Sure is more time.....to find more skeletons in Obamas and McCains closets. :roll: I hope it does not get ugly.
With all due respect to your position as a moderator......your hope is unreasonable.

It will continue to get ugly. I honestly don't think we have seen ugly yet. That is what American politics is. :down:

I wish it were different... I truly do :cry:

Platapus 06-25-08 07:24 PM
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Take what you may, but pollsters typically poll in democrat areas.

Do you have a citation for this or is this just your opinion?


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