That is pretty funny. I got a kick out of this one too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuFD7mIkL10

I think you misunderstood me. I was not referring to people mowing their own lawns, I was referring to people willing to mow other people's lawns for money

As for you and your family willing to mow your own lawn? Well I can respect that. That is your choice.

However if you voluntarily remove yourself from the market (having someone mow your lawn or clean your house) than the discussion we are having does not really apply to you.

Not everyone has the ability to do such things for themselves. There are good people who do pay for someone to help them around the house :)

Anyway, my point was that there was no line of "good ole Americans" waiting for what they perceived as menial labour. No one... at all... for any price.

There are, however some very nice foreign workers who do a wonderful professional job for not a lot of money. I frankly don't see them taking any jobs away from Americans. I would be thrilled if an American in my neighbourhood would be willing to get their hands dirty for some money. I just don't see it.

I read your post as an insinuation that Americans are so lazy, that they are incapable of mowing their own lawns, or otherwise an insinuation that Americans lack work ethic, to support the standard mantra of "mexicans doing the jobs that americans won't do". It simply isn't true. Yes their are lazy people, but ill wager the majority of Americans are not, and can put down some good old fashioned elbow grease just as well, if not better then the cheap hired labor from down south. Hiring a mexican (or anyone for that matter) to mow your own lawn? Now thats lazy ( unless your in a wheelchair or something.)

Mowing lawns aside, it's a misconception that illegal immigrants do the jobs that Americans don't want to do. Americans don't want to do jobs that pay below minimum wage. A fair days wage for a fair days work.

Illegal immigrants and the slaves wages they will work for constitute unfair competition.

I keep on hearing let's build a wall.

But I don't hear much about internal enforcement. About half of illegal immigrants are visa overstays. Also, solid employer sanctions would do much to combat illegal immigration, currently all they really get is a slap on the wrist.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198298,00.html

PD

PS. Yeah, that's right. I cited Fox News.

One fine day I woke up after a dream with a smile, but sadly it quickly turned to disgust.

In this dream my country had no welfare system, and my government didn't spend my tax dollars on foreign aid. Everybody seemed to pull their own weight. There was no anchor babys and we spoke English.
Opening day Turkey season was a national holiday too.

I like your dream! :D Welfare is not bad, just that the people abusing the system are the ones who are bad.

Simple problem to fix welfare - put time limits on people who collect it and are capable of working but are not. At the very least, force them to work for the state if they are unable to find a job in time. Get something for that money. And make working for the state a bad thing like really hard work! More incentive for them to find something better!

And to the chicks that pump out kids to get a bigger welfare check - limit them to 2 kids - all others after it are not funded.

-S

Cheers Platapus...great thoughts.:up:

It is not that they are taking jobs from Americans...but we need to make them Americans in the sense of making them accountable,liable,chargeable as the rest of anyone else who lives here.

Always comes back around to the money huh?

Hold da bus.
Their foreign nationals right?
Their being hired in preference over Americans right? (see construction industry for great examples).

Mind running that "not taking jobs from americans" part past me again? Im not catching the benevolant bandwagon on that one.

Any.. ANY employer that hires a foreign national (IE, illegal alien) should suffer a severe financial penality if/when caught. If the financial risk far outweights the financial gain of hiring them, maybe they'll stop doing it.

About sums it up for me. Great thoughts! :up: I agree with them whole heartedly! Totally accurate and undeniable.

-S

Here's what i think the financial penality for hiring
- Foriegn nationals
- Illegal aliens
- undocumented works
- migrant workers
- day workers
- and whatever other euphimistic language people use to avoid calling them what they are

should consist of:

- Be forced to pay the difference between what they pay Americans and what they've been paying their illegals as a fee to the local state goverment. For example if the normally hire an American for 8 bucks an hour, but hire the illegal for 5, then they should pay up the missing 3. This fee should be backdated from to the initial hiring date. If the hiring date cannot be asertained, then a minimum 6, not to exceed 12 months will be used for backdating.

- Backdated wages are then taxed appropriately to the adjusted rate and then sent to the state and federal goverments as apporpiate.

- Employer pays for all adminstration fees and labor used to derive the above two fees to the appropriate agency responsible for doing the adminstrative and investigative work.

- Employer pays for the cost of deporting the illegal they hired. From gas costs, to labor used to transport the illegal, the employer shall be made to pay the bill to the associated agency responsible for deportation.

- Federal court fee for having broken the law and hired them in the first place.


Wrap all that up, and send it to the employer as a nice "little" bill, for each and every illegal they hire. Restore American jobs, and create a few in the process!:rotfl:

I bet that would be one helluva deterent!

It is called pandering for votes. All of these ****bags do this. I just happen to dislike mccain less than obama.