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SUBMAN1 06-24-08 05:10 PM

One thing that you guys may not know - it will be almost as quiet as a sub.

Here is something very peculiar to this ship - notice - No Prop! No prop makes low noise. It also allows it to operate in extremely shallow water:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...s-side-001.jpg

geetrue 06-24-08 06:00 PM

No big sonar dome hung on the bow will allow the 45 kts and above top speed.

Sonar wipes out at those speeds anyway ... those little helio's can track sonar bouy's anyway.

peterloo 06-24-08 11:42 PM

There's no countermeasure for any wave homing torpedo once they home on your wave. The torpedo will keep on making zee-zags around the position of the wave while getting closer to you (a S shaped loop) and it goes BOOM when it gets sufficiently close

BTW, I don't think a LST should be used to detect and sink subs. This job is best left to corvettes or hunter killers

baggygreen 06-25-08 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by peterloo
There's no countermeasure for any wave homing torpedo once they home on your wave. The torpedo will keep on making zee-zags around the position of the wave while getting closer to you (a S shaped loop) and it goes BOOM when it gets sufficiently close

People keep saying that..... but i dont believe it for one second.

when peolpe used active sonar to track (asdic anyone?) we got around that by developing a decoy that reflected sound waves, representing the target, and hooray, a countermeasure was developed which was effective when employed properly.

When people used passive sonar in homing torps etc, we developed nixie decoys etc, again a decoy to represent the target.

take it away from the ocean, apply it to anything military - when the enemy develops something new to attack you with, you come up with something newer to defend yourself with. So why everyone keeps saying these wake-homing torps are unavoidable i'll never know

McBeck 06-25-08 02:02 AM

So this baby will be able to track down the Swedish submarine?
(The USN have been very unsuccessful in doing that some tests last year)

XabbaRus 06-25-08 02:50 AM

Subman where did you get that pic from. Would be good to have some dimensions on it.

Oberon 06-25-08 07:02 AM

Incredible design, I am very impressed indeed. The cushion design, is that in case of groundings?

fatty 06-25-08 08:11 AM

Check the link, it's from globalsecurity.org, although it's a diagram of the now defunct Raytheon offering.

peterloo 06-25-08 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen
Quote:

Originally Posted by peterloo
There's no countermeasure for any wave homing torpedo once they home on your wave. The torpedo will keep on making zee-zags around the position of the wave while getting closer to you (a S shaped loop) and it goes BOOM when it gets sufficiently close

People keep saying that..... but i dont believe it for one second.

when peolpe used active sonar to track (asdic anyone?) we got around that by developing a decoy that reflected sound waves, representing the target, and hooray, a countermeasure was developed which was effective when employed properly.

When people used passive sonar in homing torps etc, we developed nixie decoys etc, again a decoy to represent the target.

take it away from the ocean, apply it to anything military - when the enemy develops something new to attack you with, you come up with something newer to defend yourself with. So why everyone keeps saying these wake-homing torps are unavoidable i'll never know

ya I know it sounds stupid that this wave homing stuff don't have any countermeasures, but I don't think there is any decoy which is proven capable in misleading them

The only way that I know to reduce the risk is to change the propeller design? (the one that is proposed to fit in the next UK carrier). Not sure whether there are any other which I have overlooked

Raptor1 06-25-08 10:15 AM

Fooling the wake-homers shouldn't be a problem:

Active Sonar - Spoof the Bounce Contact
Passive Sonar - Spoof the Sound Source
Wake-Homer - Spoof the Wake, I'm surprised such a thing doesn't exist yet

Also, You can always mount something like the old Torpedo-Nets on your stern that will detonate the Torpedo before it gets close, after all, it HAS to come from the stern...

SUBMAN1 06-25-08 10:37 AM

Some more pics:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-0000X-002.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-0000X-001.jpg


http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...lm-image30.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...lm-image31.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita..._msncap_05.jpg

rifleman13 06-25-08 10:45 AM

Some piece of technology you got there!:yep:

Raptor1 06-25-08 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Is dropping the ship into the water like that safe, or are you risking your multi-million dollar ship for a really cool picture?

rifleman13 06-25-08 11:09 AM

Not an expert on shipbuilding but I think that's the way they traditionally launch ships since there was shipbuilding.;)

SUBMAN1 06-25-08 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1
Is dropping the ship into the water like that safe, or are you risking your multi-million dollar ship for a really cool picture?

Man, if it can't take that, it will sink in a storm guaranteed. Thats the first shock test and a minor one compared to some storms you get on the high seas!

-S

Raptor1 06-25-08 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rifleman13
Not an expert on shipbuilding but I think that's the way they traditionally launch ships since there was shipbuilding.;)

Nah, last I heard they put them in drydock, fill the place SLOWLY with water and then let tow her into the water, nice and safe

I guess it's safe, just didn't seem logical they would throw a 3,000 ton ship into the water like that

SUBMAN1 06-25-08 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rifleman13
Not an expert on shipbuilding but I think that's the way they traditionally launch ships since there was shipbuilding.;)

The old ones used to slide backwards down a ramp. I think this is a modern way.

-S

Raptor1 06-25-08 11:14 AM

Oh, wait, is that how they do small ships that aren't big enough to waste a drydock on?

SUBMAN1 06-25-08 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1
Oh, wait, is that how they do small ships that aren't big enough to waste a drydock on?

For repairs, it will be drydocked in the future, but every new major boat has a christening ceremony like this where they drop it in the water. They do it to subs too!

-S

Raptor1 06-25-08 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor1
Oh, wait, is that how they do small ships that aren't big enough to waste a drydock on?

For repairs, it will be drydocked in the future, but every new major boat has a christening ceremony like this where they drop it in the water. They do it to subs too!

-S

Ehh, weird, I always thought ships were built in drydocks and then shipped out of those


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