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Memo to BdU - we REALLY need to tighten up our selection protocols for command rank. Two notes re: requirements for command - (a) only people with enough sense to know that humans cannot see in complete darkness and hence, in zero visibilty conditions, should perhaps refrain from firing torpedoes at anything on the surface that moves, and (b) those with sufficient mental faculty to remember to look at a calendar at least once every 12 months

Haha nicely put :rotfl: And totally right too...

..But!

I was only off by a couple of months :dead:

Sure, sure. As I said, we veterans understaaand these things. And that whole Norwegian campaing thing, I sure, err, that other boat, must have just had a malfunction. A short circuit or something, that just happened to cause a tube (or, perhaps two) to flood, open its outer doors and fire the eel. I'm sure that kind of thing happens more then we care to admit, right?

certainly more then I'm ever going to admit, that's for sure

Bad luck I say! Wrong place at the wrong time. How could they blaim us for a so-called 'friendly kill'? Sure, we all sometimes pretend to attack a friendly vessel, get a solution, flood the tubes....perhaps launching one just ahead of her. I knew the captain, it's a game we play. But I never did hit her. It struck a mine, nothing to do with me, no sir. And I certainly wouldn't fire at it with the 88 when she won't go down. Nope, not me.
Did anyone notice the flags all look alike? In the heat of combat, it's often a thing to forget to check. Not that I would be in combat with a friendly vessel... The ship was probably a spy, and needed to be sunk. Not saying I sunk it, like I said, it struck a mine....

First day i try sh3, i sank almost every axis ship because. i didnt know they were our friends......... and yet i cannon them with my deck gun shell:nope:

Haha nice one :D
Anything that doesn't shoot at you, is either friendly or neutral!
Or can't find you

What?!?!? There is nothing wrong for noob who start playing a new game:shifty:

1st day of GWX 2.0, September 39' and also my first day playing sh3. The radio comms are getting on my nerves as I try to TC to my patrol area in grid BF so I just start clicking past them figuring "I'll read 'em later it's all just fluff anyway"
Sailing through the channel I happily help a half dozen small to middling size french merchants scuttle their ships early, to save them the trouble later.
Popping to the surface to reload from the external tubes I go to work assigning sailors to the bow tubes when that damn beeping starts again and I get a new radiogram.
"Might as well go through them now, I've got a small book going here." I think, opening the newest one.....
The content, a forceful reiteration of a directive to NOT sink French ships, catches me by surprise.
"What the hell is this? Nobody ever said anything about....." My eyes turn to the dozen or so mildewing radiograms stacked in the corner.
"Oh Bloody hell."

Hahaha good show :rotfl:

I actually saved a neutral freighter from being hit once.
Decided to do a long shot, so couldn't quite tell the flag. Fired one away and went in Godmode to watch the torpedo hit. In doing so, I noticed it was a neutral! So I blew ballast and fired a few rounds at it (some hit). That made it zig-zag and avoid the incoming eel.

I was so glad! And I'm sure the captain and his crew was too :up:

One of my first careers in stock I sank a American that was traveling in a convoy. I was charging in on the surface on a dark night and didn't bother to close enough to make out any flags. Probably carrying contraband anyway. :nope:

Since then I have come close with a lone American and a lone Italian. The Italian especially was a REAL lucky bugger.

I hit an inbound convoy a couiple of weeks ago near the end of a patrol. Visibility was moderate at night so I didn't want to get too close. Picked my targets. Almost got gun shy-remembered a few posts about neutrals in a convoy.
Then my agression factor said "NO, NO, NO-SHOOT THE BASTARDS!" :arrgh!:
Any neutral sailing blacked out in a blacked out convoy heading for England is fair game, loss of renown be damned.

Sank an ore carrier and got a hit on another ship(didn't see the hit-was on my way down with a destroyer charging in on me. I managed to evade after an hour, came back up, made an end around from the other side of the convoy and sank a whale factory ship (biggest ship I've sunk so far:D) and a medium tanker. Slunk away on the surface this time-the escort had no clue where I was, just a bunch of searchlights and star shells off in the distance as I made my way from the convoy with all my eels expended and home.

Even after a slight hesitation about neutrals in a convoy, none of the ships I got were neutral. Next time, I won't even pause before I shoot a ship in a convoy.
:)

:lol: I like that, although I'm guessing they were less then pleased once your boat was gone out of sight, and they had to then clean the poop out of their pants!

I got to this thread in my search about renown and sinking unlit ships.

I was off the east coast of GB and saw an unlit medium cargo. Sweeeet. It is moving 10kts and I am in a good position. I cut ahead and fire two torps and they both hit. While it is going down it turns on its search lights and suddenly I see it is Norwegian. This is still pre invasion October 1939.

So there goes the renown for my patrol. This was the 3rd ship going down on this patrol and I eded up with -58 renown. I will never get a type VII at this rate. How is this my fault? Aren't they supposed to lit themself if neutral? I want my renown for it. Arghhh... no medals either after this one.

Hi, Huncowboy, and if I didn't catch you before, WELCOME ABOARD!:sunny:

One of the things you can do is go into the Data/Cfg/Basic folder. Right at the top is the renown rewarded for different situations. I changed my neutrals to '0', on the grounds that very few, if any, kaleuns were punished for sinking neutral ships, especially in convoys. You can actually make it a positive, but I don't think I should be actively awarded for sinking them either, so '0' suits me fine.

Steve,

Good idea. Thanks I will try that. It is realistic too IMHO. They were not supposed to be unlit, and guess if they were coming from the GB they were helping GB's war effort.... can you say "rationalization"? :D

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Yes I can, and very eloquently. Something else I did recently was change my 'Friendly' sinking value from '-10' to '-1'. In my ship names research I've come across several cases of u-boats sinking friendly ship, and the captain being let go with a mild reprimand, because in every case the merchant was either disguised as Allied or where he wasn't supposed to be.

I've played tabletop wargames for more than thirty years now, and I've observed that 90% of all gamers just want an advantage or an excuse, and will give you all kinds of reasons why some thing or the other was 'historical'. For that reason I'm usually leary of talking about renown reduction, because it might give some an excuse to just go sink everything. On the other hand there have been many discussions about the realism of the renown system itself. Not aimed at you, but just my general experience.

Take that as you wish, and have fun putting down the Tommies.

Historically speaking, wasn't there an order issued at some point that anything travelling in a convoy was fair game?

Or am I misremembering again?

Ships of neutral nations traveling in convoy were not in and of themselves considered fair game.

However, ships of neutral nations that were sailing in convoys escorted by ships of belligerent nations were violating neutrality laws. They would have been considered fair game.

Yes,last night i came upon a US vessel,so went along side to have a closer look and the schwein opened fire on me!Put a bloody great hole in my Starboard saddle tank!So i sank him!

never sank a friendly

killed a few neutrals...including a neutral ocean liner (lusitania anyone?)

i always seem to accidently sink american ships before dec 1941

american flag is hard to distinguish from a distance all the stars and bars blur toghter into a red/whit/blueish mess

I sank the German trawler that is just ahead of you when you leave Wilhelmshaven on purpose once. I just started a game to see if I installed the waterstream mod ok and was bored so I just lined it up and fired. As soon as the torp hit sirens went off. It was hilarious.