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TDK1044 05-21-08 08:37 AM

The UN was a corrupt, toothless waste of space the day it was formed, and nothing has changed.

bradclark1 05-21-08 08:54 AM

It's as simple as this: There will be no racism when there is no world.
It's human nature. What matters is at what level that racism is. There is going to be prejudice against any difference from your norm. Any thoughts different than that and you are living in la-la land. Color is just one. Then you have gender, financial, class, political, blah, blah, blah.
Let the UN investigate. Big whoopdy-do.

Letum 05-21-08 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
It's human nature.

Speak for your self.
It's not in my nature.

bradclark1 05-21-08 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum
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Originally Posted by bradclark1
It's human nature.

Speak for your self.
It's not in my nature.

Sure it is. The question is how much. Little or lots.

Letum 05-21-08 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
It's human nature.

Speak for your self.
It's not in my nature.

Sure it is. The question is how much. Little or lots.

:shifty: You are calling me a racist?

bradclark1 05-21-08 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
It's human nature.

Speak for your self.
It's not in my nature.

Sure it is. The question is how much. Little or lots.

:shifty: You are calling me a racist?

I'm not going to argue about it. Call it what you want. Everyone has prejudice against whats different. You might swing totally another way to try and prove you aren't but it just proves you are.

Skybird 05-21-08 09:29 AM

Brad is right, in that the basis for racism probably is in our genes, and derives back to a time when every strange apeman appearing at the horizon was a potential thread to the survival of your tribe and a potential enemy for the tribe'S waterhole. It is a genetically impßlemented habit that makes us prefer those people that we know, that we grew ip with, and in that way consider to be like ourselves. That explains why physical differences are so important for most people, and why nevertheless children of different origin do not easily become racist to each other when they grew up in their childhood over longer time.

So, despite "racism" (which was a survival strategy, originally) being in our genes, the real point is that man has the ability to become aware of it, and actively refuse to allow that pattern remaining active. In other wors: man can learn not to be racist, man can be educated and raised not to be racist, and man has the self-reflection and mind to reason why he does not want to be racist.

Needless to say that ideolgies again can turn you into a racist.

Letum 05-21-08 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
I suppose there's strong scientific proofs and studies to back this statement.

No doubt there are many studies that show that the vast majority of people show racial preference.

One that springs to mind is the reaction times in shooting simulators when police are
presented with images of black and white males holding either telephones or guns.

But a "vast majority", however vast, does not speak for everyone.

Human natures are not hard to overcome. There are many abhorant things that are
in human nature, but not in a decent man's mind or actions.

Letum 05-21-08 09:37 AM

Ahh! An online version of the reaction times experiment!

Faaaaaar from scientific, but interesting none the less
http://backhand.uchicago.edu/Center/ShooterEffect/

kurtz 05-21-08 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
I suppose there's strong scientific proofs and studies to back this statement.

No doubt there are many studies that show that the vast majority of people show racial preference.

One that springs to mind is the reaction times in shooting simulators when police are
presented with images of black and white males holding either telephones or guns.

But a "vast majority", however vast, does not speak for everyone.

Human natures are not hard to overcome. There are many abhorant things that are
in human nature, but not in a decent man's mind or actions.

Yes but these are subconscious reactions which can be measured by measuring the eye's iris reactions when shown pictures of people of other races, you can try and ignore it or you can even overcompensate but it is there.

STEED 05-21-08 09:40 AM

We all know the UN lives up it's own ass. ;)

Letum 05-21-08 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum
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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
I suppose there's strong scientific proofs and studies to back this statement.

No doubt there are many studies that show that the vast majority of people show racial preference.

One that springs to mind is the reaction times in shooting simulators when police are
presented with images of black and white males holding either telephones or guns.

But a "vast majority", however vast, does not speak for everyone.

Human natures are not hard to overcome. There are many abhorant things that are
in human nature, but not in a decent man's mind or actions.

Yes but these are subconscious reactions which can be measured by measuring the eye's iris reactions when shown pictures of people of other races, you can try and ignore it or you can even overcompensate but it is there.

I don't doubt that.
People react diffrently to the familiar and unfamiliar.

No doubt you get similar results when you present people with pictures of violins and
doors or any other kind of object.

That does not mean they are biased to one or the other.

kurtz 05-21-08 09:56 AM

I hate to sound contrary but yes it does, when people like something their Iris opens when they don't it closes, you can't help that, you can help how you deal with that reaction but it's something you have. Even stranger even black males don't like black males.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpUSElgJcyI

Not a scientific assesment perhaps...

HunterICX 05-21-08 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED
We all know the UN lives up it's own ass. ;)

;) Aaah, a answer we all can agree with

HunterICX

Letum 05-21-08 10:19 AM

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I hate to sound contrary but yes it does, when people like something their Iris opens when they don't it closes, you can't help that, you can help how you deal with that reaction but it's something you have. Even stranger even black males don't like black males.

Liking or disliking something does not make you racist either.

Show me 100 pictures of women and 100 of men and no doubt my iris will give away a
preference for female faces. I also, like everyone else, have ascetic preference that
includes skin tone.
Likewise I have strong cultural preferences.

Aesthetic, cultural and other such preferences are certainly not racism.

You can hate the look of Asian faces, despise rice and cartoons with large eyes,
but that doesn't make you a racist.
It is only racism when you dislike these things because they are of the Asisn race
and believe that your preferences are an objective, non-relative assessment. Only
then will you base other other judgements on your preferences.

antikristuseke 05-21-08 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by August
The thing is that for every fool who refuses to vote for Obama just because he's black there is another who will vote for him JUST because he IS black. I believe the vast majority of Americans will vote for the guy who they think will do the best job.

Hispanics and Blacks are just as racist as any other group of Americans, yet all too often that is ignored in this country. Whether that says something good or bad about our nation is i guess is a matter of opinion.

This about sums it up.

Letum 05-21-08 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by August
The thing is that for every fool who refuses to vote for Obama just because he's black there is another who will vote for him JUST because he IS black. I believe the vast majority of Americans will vote for the guy who they think will do the best job.

Hispanics and Blacks are just as racist as any other group of Americans, yet all too often that is ignored in this country. Whether that says something good or bad about our nation is i guess is a matter of opinion.

This about sums it up.

Seconded.

Err...I mean..."thirded"(?)

bradclark1 05-21-08 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
I suppose there's strong scientific proofs and studies to back this statement.

I'm sure you can find all sorts of information on the web. The short answer is it's genetics. The longer answer is I've spent a lifetime dealing with people of different cultures, races, ethnicities, class and whatever. Work with diverse groups for a long time at ground level and use your eyes you just see patterns.

Tchocky 05-21-08 10:44 AM

21% of Clinton voters in the Kentucky primary admitted that race affected their vote.
I think that's worth looking into.

bradclark1 05-21-08 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum
You can hate the look of Asian faces, .................but that doesn't make you a racist.

I beg to differ. You hate the look of Asian faces you have colored(pun intended) your view. You hate something you will treat it differently. You are prejudiced so you are racist.


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