Why ? :hmm:

Have you ran out of aboriginal targets already ? :o

There is always gun battles in London. :shifty: That's why I wear a bullet proof vest when I visit the toilet sorry London.

I don't need to argue with you, nor do I need to tell you anything since your history already precedes you and that will tell you more than anything I can. In the 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's when anyone that wanted to be armed could be over there, your gun crime was still historically low - half of what it is before they took your guns and things doubled (This should also tell you something since your gun crime is rising). You don't follow the US models in this area which makes me alternately think that most of you out there are very courteous and respectful.

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There has been firearm legislation in the UK since just after WW1, iirc.

You're 250 years off man! The time period of the article would be this instead: :D

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PS. I think I'm gonna buy one of these. Might be fun to shoot a classic!

Subman, this is pretty wonky thinking you have here. Where is the evidence that a rise in gun crime is triggered by the implimentation of more robust gun control measures?

Do you not think that social and econmic presures might have something more to do with criminals resorting to the use of firearms in the first place, and gun control measures being implimented as a result?

I think you are approaching gun violence in the UK with quite a number of false and incorrect assumptions, which may hold true in the US but not in the UK.

BTW, firearms related crimes actually fell in 2007, look at the stats.

Again, I beg to differ! You are the one with the wonky thinking (again). You only need look at the rise since they took them, versus the history prior to that, and you will find your answer.

What a cop out idea - maybe you can prove this theory in favor of the obvious? And besides, you keep telling me that social and economic pressures are getting better in the UK. Why are you reversing your story now? Your a funny guy! :D

Yes - it fell to 4,019 incidents - over 11 per day! Nice! :up: I like your woinky thinking though. Makes for fun poking it back at ya!

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Yep. Thats the major factor for most crime and with society sinking into the mud it will continue to climb.

Subman, what you present demonstrates nothing. What I'm looking for is a causational link, not just an excercise in comparing two sets of numbers and then making a half baked conclusion, something I'm afraid to say you do a lot of on this forum.

Crime is just caused by 'bad people' then I guess. :roll:

quotes please?

I'm glad I could lighten up your day ;)

Compared to what in the US? Subman, theres around 10,000 gun-related homicides in the US every year not even counting the suicides and accidents.

Subman, where are you from?

How so?

And yours is not, how exactly? At least mine has hard numbers and it can be applied anywhere in the world and you can draw the same statisitics on crime and guns anywhere guns have been removed. Maybe the UK is special! I know you're special at least, special case more like. :D

It's definetly not caused by inanimate objects - DUH! What an idiot response. :shifty:

Can you be serious for once? Pick any thread about the UK where you replied to me. I don't have to hold your hand like a child every time.

I thought this was about the UK? We have a lot more peopel than you of course, so we do everything bigger than you. Please keep to topic though. Thanks!

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PS. Guns don't hold a candle to auto accidents. I bet your auto accidents way outnumber even the US gun statistics. I know your violent crime is at least double ours from up to 2005 or so - last year for numbers I found or there abouts.

The US.

By the way, black powder rifles and pistols are pretty fun. You should try one sometime. I know a person or two that like 50 cals in rifles, and 45 cals in pistols. The rifles don't have a quick shock like a modern day rifle does, but more of a solid shock to the shoulder. Everything is slightly delayed as well when you pull the trigger, especially the older models. The newer cap type versions fire relatively quickly.

To hold up a place in the past usually required about 3 or 4 pistols in the belt, and probably a backup of some form of blade. Tommy gun works much better, but of course, two different era's.

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Hmm... So I guess since this is the first generation to grow up without every young boy learning to shoot or use a sword, every past government since the beginning of time must have been a 'time to kick out' type mentality.

On another note, this is also the rudest and crass young generation the world has every known. Strange coincidence? I better not say that though because Mr. Beast will ask for hard proof of this fact again! :rotfl:

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They weren't. Guns are allowed only for the basic human right of self defense, and to eat.

But if human rights aren't important, I guess this discussion is over.

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You know, you're pretty rude yourself :-?

Usually only when someone has been rude to me first.

Sorry if I offended you since I don't remember trying to do that. It was unintentional.

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I'm sorry, by the time you can dial 911, in the UK or in the US, it is already too late in most situations. 6 minutes is typical best response time, and if I'll be dead in 5..... The answer is, my government cannot protect me. It is impossible for them to do so. In UK, it is no different.

Education has nothing to do with it. There are just plain bad people in the world and nothing you can do to change that fact. Guns are a neccesary evil.

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PS. SCOTUS has ruled many times that the gov't has no obligation to protect individuals.

Because you offer no explanations in your thesis as to why the removal of guns from the public has the effect of increasing gun related crime? All you do is look at the fact that there is more gun related crime now than there was say 20 years ago and then conclude simplistically that banning guns is to blame, while excluding every other variable.

How is this so? Do you not have any desire to look deeper into why things happen or do you just jump at the easiest explanation that you can grasp?

I'm sorry Subman, but its intellectualy lazy.

Your obviously not familiar with the gun laws in Japan then and their very low rate of firearms related crime.

Ok, so the world is just divided into 'goodies and badies', black and white
Maybe you should read Crime and Punishment.

No quotes or examples then?

Ill take it that you're just resorting to your usual strawmen and personal attacks.

Look up the stats for gun homicides in the UK per 100,000 population as compared to the US.

BTW you brought up the US first

So is it not broadly your argument that the gun control laws are beter in the US?

Point proven - mine that is! This is exactly how each one of your posts are. You bring up one thing, yet fail to back it up with proof, yet you say mine is wrong because I have no proof, yet you provide none and say yours is right? Pot calling the kettle black? I think so!

No, they just chop your ear off with a sword, their prefered weapon - check on the Yakuza. Ugly stuff. Shoot me please.

A more appropriate read would be on the likes of Jefferey Dahmer.
not even close. You started the personal attacks. I just sent them back your way. Lets see, it started with calling my ideas wonky I beleive. Nice how you twist it around. You're good at that! :up:

For certain areas yes. Why don't you further this research into areas that use gun control in the US and those that don't. I think you will find that you have been wrong all along! :D Let give you a clue - places without gun control have less gun violence per 100K people than the ** (Guess what country is here). THis should be interesting on what you come back with! :up:

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PS. Here is a good place to start:

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