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Frank0001 04-28-08 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamingboat
One thing you have to remember about the military. They will give you medals for killing other men and kick you out for loving other men. :o

Hahaha, a great way of bringing back some humour to this topic...:up:

Jimbuna 04-28-08 03:08 PM

Very disturbing footage....further evidence of mans inhumanity to his fellow man.

Regardless of individual opinions, let us hope it spurs our present generation on to see that we never see a further repeat of global warfare.

Madox58 04-28-08 03:15 PM

I'm not convinced by watching that video that we are seeing everything.
It's very easy to clip out parts to make it appear as the poster wants.
I know for a fact I have seen parts of that vid where the reason the
crew fired on those near the Sub was because they pulled a gun.
Haveing been in situations like that?
Pull a weapon on me?
You died!

That is a bad example of true life.
But a perfect example of editing to suit your needs.
:nope:

GoldenRivet 04-28-08 03:18 PM

your right.

in one scene it appears as if bullets are splashing all around one guy in the water, when upon closer inspection it is clearly a rope landing near him. :roll:

a lot of edits make the clips a bit unbelievable at times... not to say it didnt happen, but not nearly as much as the vid suggests

Jimbuna 04-28-08 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer
I'm not convinced by watching that video that we are seeing everything.
It's very easy to clip out parts to make it appear as the poster wants.
I know for a fact I have seen parts of that vid where the reason the
crew fired on those near the Sub was because they pulled a gun.
Haveing been in situations like that?
Pull a weapon on me?
You died!

That is a bad example of true life.
But a perfect example of editing to suit your needs.
:nope:

I reckon you've a valid point there.....take the guy with the Thompson machine gun as an example, why didn't the camera man pan to the right to show what the target was http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/181...kbigsw1yo4.gif

Sooooo.....no award for the director I'm afraid http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3990/oscar230fb7.gif

Madox58 04-28-08 03:28 PM

Dang it!!

Madox58 04-28-08 03:30 PM

If you dig deep enuff into any countries History there are events we can not
condone today.

Vlad Dracula is pretty much a near perfect example.

In truth?
A Hero and Saviour to his country.
But today the epitome of Evil because of one book.

So, where does the truth lie?
It use to be:
'Don't believe everything you hear!'
And:
'Seeing is believeing!'

Now those are as fake as the vid!

Flamingboat 04-28-08 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

That is a bad example of true life.
But a perfect example of editing to suit your needs.
:nope:

You may be right but I wouldn't go so far as to blame "clever editing" becase the subject matter is uncomfortable. I didn't think some japanese getting shot in the water was all that interesting compared to what was done to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That video is childs play compared to the A-Bombs.

Again though I just posted this because it was a cool color submarine video from WW2. I wasn't trying to be controversial. I thought everyone just knew that a lot of people get messed up in wars, right or wrong. I guess it's different to see the footage.

Flamingboat 04-28-08 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna
let us hope it spurs our present generation on to see that we never see a further repeat of global warfare.

*cough Iraq *cough

Jimbuna 04-28-08 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer
If you dig deep enuff into any countries History there are events we can not
condone today.

Vlad Dracula is pretty much a near perfect example.

In truth?
A Hero and Saviour to his country.
But today the epitome of Evil because of one book.

So, where does the truth lie?
It use to be:
'Don't believe everything you hear!'
And:
'Seeing is believeing!'

Now those are as fake as the vid!

The truth is out there....does anyone know the URL

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...e/drunkcob.gif

GoldenRivet 04-28-08 04:15 PM

personally i dont think you were being controversial.

These atrocities happened and were committed by every side of the war. it is impossible to walk away from a war with clean hands.

though this video probably paints a picture that is a little deviated from reality.

nobody can look at this video and say that every crew did these things.

Madox58 04-28-08 04:22 PM

I don't have any problem with you posting it.
It's actually a cool vid taken with a grain of salt.
:up:

The A-bomb topic is a totally different area.
I never agreed with the targets.
But always agreed with dropping them.
I think had we dropped a couple off-shore
we would have gotten the same results.
That's not how it was played out though.
And I think those in charge at the time were abit closer to
the problem.
Right or wrong,
It's already been done.
I wonder how many regret attacking Pearl Harbor.
Or the Hell Ships, Death Marches, and on and on.

GoldenRivet 04-28-08 04:27 PM

we could have dropped two A-bombs and accepted surrender... or we could have waited a short while and let Stalin drop his A-bombs and accepted the near extinction of an entire race of people.

thats the way i look at it.

Madox58 04-28-08 04:48 PM

I think if Stalin had the Bomb at the time?
There would be no Berlin.

Flamingboat 04-28-08 05:06 PM

I didn't think the Russians got the bomb until the 1950's? Anyone know?

Madox58 04-28-08 05:15 PM

1949

Ducimus 04-29-08 05:17 PM

The linked video is a nice edit job. I particuarlly like this one part.

You have a clip of what was orginally a guy shooting a BAR at a mine.

But the mine was clipped out, instead a survivor being rescued put in its place..

But the acutal rescue of the survior was clipped out, and what looks like Kamikaze being shot put in its place. (although as someone noted, it was probably a rope)

End result. American sailor machine gunning surviors with a BAR.

Nice. *golf clap*

edit: And the music sucks. Seems to me this is someone with a poltical agenda wanting to make a music video for Youtube and splicing together a bunch of WW2 color footage to suit the message the author is crafting.

Sailor Steve 04-29-08 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer
Vlad Dracula is pretty much a near perfect example.

In truth?
A Hero and Saviour to his country.
But today the epitome of Evil because of one book.

Hardly because of one book. Dracula may or may not have been evil by his own lights, or those of his time, but he was certainly one of the most brutal men who ever lived.
http://www.eskimo.com/~mwirkk/castle/vlad/vladhist.html

LukeFF 04-29-08 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flamingboat
Again though I just posted this because it was a cool color submarine video from WW2. I wasn't trying to be controversial. I thought everyone just knew that a lot of people get messed up in wars, right or wrong. I guess it's different to see the footage.

Next time, try linking to a video that (a) isn't spliced together to suit someone's political agenda and (b) isn't overlaid with some godaweful music in the background. As Ducimus has pointed out, the REAL footage shows sailors shooting at a mine, not at prisoners floating helplessly in the sea.

If you want to see the REAL footage the linked YouTube video uses, go here: http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/794.cfm

(Caution: it might cause you to re-think how the Americans dealt with sunken ship survivors).

Madox58 04-29-08 06:24 PM

Perhaps brutal by todays standards I admit.
By the standards of the times?
Brutal by needs.

History judges from the worst perspective.
We don't know everything so we speculate by our standards.

There were times the entrances to Rome were lite by burning Christians.
They were impaled also.

Little thought seems to be given to that fact.
That would make the rulers of Rome at that time even worse Brutes.
As they were not Combatants used to scare away invaders?
Why do we not fear the Dark Roman?
But we all fear Dracula?

@Ducimus and LukeFF

Thanks for comeing in and backing up the observations!!


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