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DeepIron 04-25-08 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.
<yawn>

Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:

You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Happy Times 04-25-08 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by caspofungin
the other side of the coin is, why are you so quick to believe everything they tell you?

I dont believe everything i read by anyone, this case is just certain with no doubt.
There was as an reactor, very likely a North Korean. We dont know what the exact plan was and other possible facilities, so i wont speculate from beyond that. There is btw another interesting facility close to this one. 35°42'2.79"N 39°53'25.16"E
The reactor is/was at, 35°42'24.29"N 39°49'44.51"E

Happy Times 04-25-08 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.
<yawn>

Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:

You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

mrbeast 04-25-08 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.
<yawn>

Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:

You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

Therefore, by the same rational Syria would have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW its probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:

Happy Times 04-25-08 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbeast
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.
<yawn>

Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:

You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

Therefore, by the same rational Syria woul have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW it probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:

Syria is a dictatorship, Israel is a democracy, how can you compare the two?
Btw, your wiew of the world is naive, ignorant and dangerous.

PeriscopeDepth 04-25-08 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbeast
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.
<yawn>

Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:

You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

Therefore, by the same rational Syria would have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW its probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:

Don't think for a second international politics has come so far as to include ethics and philosophy.

PD

Happy Times 04-25-08 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
A super top secret "non peaceful" nuclear facility visible by anyone on google earth, interesting :hmm:

Heres North Koreas "super top secret "non peaceful" nuclear facility visible by anyone on google earth".

http://www.space.com/php/video/playe...051007YongByon

Skybird 04-25-08 12:34 PM

Although nobody official spoke out after Israel's strike, it more and more became kind of an open secret that they struck a nuclear site that was raised with Northkorean help, or am I wrong? So, there is little need to become hot on this issue, I think. That the IAF did not chase rabbits was clear, I suppose.

mrbeast 04-25-08 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by mrbeast
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.
<yawn>

Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:

You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

Therefore, by the same rational Syria woul have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW it probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:

Syria is a dictatorship, Israel is a democracy, how can you compare the two?
Btw, your wiew of the world is naive, ignorant and dangerous.

Imaterial.

Syria is a soveriegn state just as Israel.

Whatever form of government Syria or Israel has is totally irrelevant to the point being made, I'm not comparing which is the nicer country to live in, although to many palestinians and Israeli arabs, Israelis hardly a bed of roses.

Israel is the most aggresive state in the middle east. It has a nuclear program and that is not just hear say, its fact. It also supports the illegal occupation of palestinian territory by Jewish setters, it daily breaches inernational law and it has failed to comply with a list of UN resolutions as long as your arm!

Your simplistic black and white 'goodies and badies' view of the world is what is naive, ignorant and above all the most dangerous.

Happy Times 04-25-08 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbeast
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by mrbeast
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
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Seems that its US and Israel that makes the axis of evil to every commie and bleeding heart liberal.
<yawn>

Its true, you want that North Korea and Syria can build these things, dont you?:p
US and Israel are EVIL!:rotfl:

You're side-stepping the issue. The point is that Syria built something that had a remarkable simularity to the N. Korean facility. That there were N. Koreans involved, blah, blah, blah... Ok, fine. The "briefing" video on MSNBC was quite convincing...

SO, instead of getting the UN involved and trying to resolve the issue diplomatically, Israel took in upon themselves to bomb the structure, on Syrian land, and the US just stood by...

So what makes either the action taken by Israel or the inaction of the US any better?

Now, tell me HT, who's wearing not only a tin hat, but blinders as well? Not me....

Well Syrian have financed terrorists that have killed Israeli, US and other Western citizens. Has the Iranian program been stopped by diplomacy? I think they have the right to bomb when a terrorist sponsoring dictatorship want to make nuclear weapons. It even makes me happy.:D No brainer for me, maybe you see the world differently.

Therefore, by the same rational Syria woul have the right to bomb Isreal's nuclear program?

BTW it probably a good thing that many many people see the world a different way than you. :hmm:

Syria is a dictatorship, Israel is a democracy, how can you compare the two?
Btw, your wiew of the world is naive, ignorant and dangerous.

Imaterial.

Syria is a soveriegn state just as Israel.

Whatever form of government Syria or Israel has is totally irrelevant to the point being made, I'm not comparing which is the nicer country to live in, although to many palestinians and Israeli arabs, Israelis hardly a bed of roses.

Israel is the most aggresive state in the middle east. It has a nuclear program and that is not just hear say, its fact. It also supports the illegal occupation of palestinian territory by Jewish setters, it daily breaches inernational law and it has failed to comply with a list of UN resolutions as long as your arm!

Your simplistic black and white 'goodies and badies' view of the world is what is naive, ignorant and above all the most dangerous.

Would there be agression by Israel if arabs stopped the terror?
Would there be agression by the arabs if Israel stopped hitting back?
Thats the difference between a democracy and murderous regime or a terrorist group.
If you cant see this your living in La La Land.

Tchocky 04-25-08 12:52 PM

By all means continue this spirited exchange, but if either of ye quote that massive f*cker again I'll send Dick Cheney after you.

Happy Times 04-25-08 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
You're missing the point, we're talking about a bombed building, I'm pretty sure that no Israelis were harmed in the process. By the way Syria does much more harm to Arabs in Lebanon than to Israel, but they're just "arabs" with a low case "a" :)

So supporting and arming Hizbollah, HAMAS and Islamic Jihad, that want to wipe Israel of the map, isnt harming Israel?
So when they try to start making plutonium, Israel shouldnt assume its directed against them?
Sorry, it doesnt make sense.

mrbeast 04-25-08 01:19 PM

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Would there be agression by Israel if arabs stopped the terror?
Would there be agression by the arabs if Israel stopped hitting back?
No doubt there are some Palestinians and Arabs who will never accept Israel's existance, and will continue to attempt to destroy it. Vice versa there are Israelis who will not accept that Israel should reamain inside its borders and cease to occupy palestinian land.

If Israel dismantled its settlements and accepted the 1967 borders as the UN has asked it to do then it would draw much of the poison out of the whole situation and lend Israel a degree of moral authority that it has lacked for the last 40 years.

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Thats the difference between a democracy and murderous regime or a terrorist group.
If you cant see this your living in La La Land.
You don't seem to understand that democracies are also capable of commiting terrorist acts, aggresive acts and oppressing people. Israel more so than most. As a state Israel was founded upon terrorism, just Google 'King David Hotel', IIRC the worst case of terrorism commited in palestine.

Happy Times 04-25-08 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbeast
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Would there be agression by Israel if arabs stopped the terror?
Would there be agression by the arabs if Israel stopped hitting back?
No doubt there are some Palestinians and Arabs who will never accept Israel's existance, and will continue to attempt to destroy it. Vice versa there are Israelis who will not accept that Israel should reamain inside its borders and cease to occupy palestinian land.

If Israel dismantled its settlements and accepted the 1967 borders as the UN has asked it to do then it would draw much of the poison out of the whole situation and lend Israel a degree of moral authority that it has lacked for the last 40 years.

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Thats the difference between a democracy and murderous regime or a terrorist group.
If you cant see this your living in La La Land.
You don't seem to understand that democracies are also capable of commiting terrorist acts, aggresive acts and oppressing people. Israel more so than most. As a state Israel was founded upon terrorism, just Google 'King David Hotel', IIRC the worst case of terrorism commited in palestine.

Says you, to me they have the morale highground. But im sure thats not what they worry about, when they try to keep their citizens safe from attacks.
So Israel should go back to 67 borders even if the attacks wouldnt stop?
Kinda high price to pay, to gain moral authority in your eyes.
All democracies take measures and defend themself when they are under attack.
Yes, the bombing where the bombers were trying to drive civilians away from the bomb. Im not saying it was right but that is fact also.

bradclark1 04-25-08 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepIron
Are you? Just because the Israeli's or the US "says" it was "not intended for peaceful use" doesn't mean it's true. Where are the rest of the processing facilities?

Don't know one way or the other which type of reactor it was (do they even say?) but there are two types of reactors. Is the Syrian reactor just a light-water nuclear reactor? If it was it shouldn't have been bombed. If their reactor was a heavy water reactor capable of producing weapons-grade plutonium are you going to take their word they won't start a weapons program? My trust of Arab countries is nonexistent. The U.S. doesn't know where all Iran's processing facilities are so if Syria has/had better security....

Tchocky 04-25-08 02:06 PM

Syria had no method of acquiring fuel for the reactor, and if they did they were ten years away from gaining any sort of bomb fuel. Hmm.

PeriscopeDepth 04-25-08 02:15 PM

Any two bit dictator state that feels like it may be/is threatened by the United States IS going to pursue nuclear weapons as long as they have the money/means. Because they all recognize by now that their conventional military will be nothing but a speed bump to the US military. It is just a fact of life and something that will have (and has been) to enter into the calculus of national security.

You can say that WMD triggered Saddam's fall, but I think that was preordained and had little to do with WMD. Look at North Korea. The world saw them test a bomb for all to see. And what did they get? Carrots, not sticks.

PD

August 04-25-08 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
Look at North Korea. The world saw them test a bomb for all to see. And what did they get? Carrots, not sticks.

PD

Yeah but NK has their big Chinese brother on their northern border keeping the sticks from being used.

PeriscopeDepth 04-25-08 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
Look at North Korea. The world saw them test a bomb for all to see. And what did they get? Carrots, not sticks.

PD

Yeah but NK has their big Chinese brother on their northern border keeping the sticks from being used.

I think the millions of men (and masses of artillery within range of Seoul) they station along the DMZ may also have had something to do with it ;). They wouldn't have to try very hard to ruin a pretty huge portion of the world economy. And as long as you at least pretend to cooperate with the IAEA, we won't be coming after you militarily. This is certainly true of Iran, and to a much lesser extent Syria. And in the name of "regional stability" (read economic in most cases), I have no doubt other states will be able to acquire a nuclear capability without too much of a problem.

PD

bradclark1 04-25-08 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Syria had no method of acquiring fuel for the reactor, and if they did they were ten years away from gaining any sort of bomb fuel. Hmm.

Neither did Israel, Korea or Pakistan? Wait until year 9 before doing anything? If you have a heavy water reactor it's not to roast potatoes.


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