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joegrundman 04-13-08 06:57 PM

Solid canonballs fired in the age of sail could skip up to the three times the basic range and proceed to damage other ships.

Source: somewhere in a Patrick O'Brien novel; can't remember which one.

antikristuseke 04-13-08 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann
If you are saying that the bullet itself would not skip or ricochet, you are incorrect sir. What you must realize is that water may as well be concrete when it is struck by an object at high speed... and angle is everything. Projectiles fired from low/flat trajectories, striking a horizontal surface will "skip." Otherwise you could never skip a rock across a pond.

That being said, a projectile striking the face of a wave would penetrate into the water and would likely not ricochet or "skip." (The same would be true of "point-detonation fuses" that strike anything. Instead of skipping, they'd likely just explode on contact with the water.)

If you can "skip" rocks or bombs... you can skip any projectile.;)

No, not the usualy at the begining od my post. I said that USUALY its only the tracer that ricochets with the bullet breaking the surface tension of the water and penetratig with the tracer coming off the back of the bullet. At shallow angles bullets can, have and will ricochet. But as i allreayd said most footage of strafing attack by aircraft, on uboats for instance, where you can clearly see tracers ricocheting off water they are no longer attached to the bullet.

Randomizer 04-13-08 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann
If you are saying that the bullet itself would not skip or ricochet, you are incorrect sir. What you must realize is that water may as well be concrete when it is struck by an object at high speed... and angle is everything. Projectiles fired from low/flat trajectories, striking a horizontal surface will "skip." Otherwise you could never skip a rock across a pond.

That being said, a projectile striking the face of a wave would penetrate into the water and would likely not ricochet or "skip." (The same would be true of "point-detonation fuses" that strike anything. Instead of skipping, they'd likely just explode on contact with the water.)

If you can "skip" rocks or bombs... you can skip any projectile.;)

No, not the usualy at the begining od my post. I said that USUALY its only the tracer that ricochets with the bullet breaking the surface tension of the water and penetratig with the tracer coming off the back of the bullet. At shallow angles bullets can, have and will ricochet. But as i allreayd said most footage of strafing attack by aircraft, on uboats for instance, where you can clearly see tracers ricocheting off water they are no longer attached to the bullet.

Generally the tracer element is a pyrotechnic compound packed into a hollow in the base of the bullet and covered with shellac to seperate it from the propellent before firing. Sometimes there will be some sort of non-combustable mixture to delay ignition until after the projectile has travelled some distance down range.

Larger projectiles, like an APFSDS penatrator or a direct fire round like HESH tend to have the tracer element (four in the case of 105mm HESH for example), inserted into the base of the projectile in their own little holders. Seperation of the tracer element after impact is unlikely because hitting the ground will cause all components to "set-foward" due to inertia so the tracer elements would tend to stay where they are. That being said, a projectile that ricochets is unstable and may tumble along the long-axis with enough centrifugal force to eject the tracer cups. Cannot recall actually seeing it happen that way but suppose that it is possible.
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