Yes, the IID is a good boat, quite a difference with the very limited range of the IIA. I have make 9 Patrols with the U-138 of the 1th Flotilla, and was really good; each of your 5 torpedos count and muss aiming with many precission.Also the 20mm are quite a good addition to engage some unarmed small targets, like tugs, schooners, unarmed trawlers,etc, and sometimes ,after a good torpedo hit the target was finnished and sunked with some good placed 20mm hits in the waterline.

is it GWX that gives my II/D 6 torps?? :hmm:

I'm thinking of starting a Type IID career,always good to have a kanoe patrol on the go,in GWX1.03 they had 6 eel's,has that changed in GWX2.0?:hmm:

Well YOU should know, it's yer program :p But anyway, the personnel files text font box says Courier New...

Five torpedos, yes, GWX 2.0 had updated and corrected this initial mistake, five like the reals IIA and IIDs.

i must be using 1.3 then.hmmm. now i dont want to upgrade hehe. i like having six eels! :doh:

It wasn't a mistake. Clay Blair in his two volumes on Hitler's U-boat War says they carried six. Kpt Lehman used that as his main source. I disagreed and we had many discussions, but there was no definitive source which proved it one way or the other.

If you're going to say things like "five like the reals IIA and IIDs", please show a source that proves this. We would like to know.

"If you're going to say things like "five like the reals IIA and IIDs", please show a source that proves this. We would like to know."


-Submarines of WWII by Erminio Bagnasco(Arms and Armour Press)
-The U-Boat Offensive 1914-1945 by V.E.Tarrant(Arms and Armour Press)
-U-Boat Ace The story of Wolfgang Lüth by Jordan Vause(Airlife Press)
-So War Der U-boot Krieg by Harald Busch(Deuscher Heimat-Verlag)
-Jäger-Gejagte by Jochen Brennecke(Koehler Verlagsgesellschaft)
-Die Deutsche Kriegsmarine-Band 3 By Siegfried Breyer and Gerhard Koop(Podzun Pallas Verlag)

Etc, etc, or more easy,direct with Uboat.net
http://uboat.net/types/iid.htm

There also many related details of missions or patrols, Wolfgang Lüth U-138, Kretschmer in U-23,for example, about this five torpedos in the types II.

The total capacity of torpedo loadout on the Type II's was indeed six. Therefore, to be accurate, any author would be forced to list the total possible loadout as being six, and accounts for so many similar specifications in various books.

HOWEVER, this practice appears to have been dropped nearly immediately after the start of the war... reducing the accepted loadout to five torpedoes.

A sixth torpedo would affect balance/performance of the U-boat, (both surfaced and submerged) and would have taken up a great deal of already clausterphobic space on the II's.

Infact, the impression that I get is that loading a sixth torpedo aboard the Type II's caused a world of potential headaches for a U-boat commander... up to potentially leaving behind a couple of crewmen.

Though at the moment the source escapes me, Admiral Erich Topp directly stated that his Type II carried only five eels. That account was the clincher as far as I was concerned.

In effect arguments for both five and six torpedoes aboard Type II's are both correct. Unfortunately, unlike date-based torpedo types, the total possible number of torpedoes for player U-boats in SH3 is not date based. Only one total can be modelled into SH3 and subsequently GWX.

Therefore it is only natural that we modelled the most prevalent total loadout.

Und zat... ees zat! The total number of torpedoes for Type II's will not be changed for GWX again.:ping:

I have, in one of my sources, a nice drawing of a Type IIA with 6 torpedoes. It was not comfortable with the 6th, plus the Kaleun, in deciding to carry the extra torpedo, had to sacrifice certain provisions.

The 6th torpedo seems certainly discretionary and assuming the source's comment about comfort is correct, certainly not a decision I would envisage as being overly popular. But that's just my assumption, based in no way on any definitive source.

So my view is, just because I can carry 6 torpedoes doesn't mean that I want to or even should.

In any event, were I not happy, a change is only a simple file edit away. ;) If I really wanted to, I could even randomise the number in SH3Cmdr and get either 5 or 6, or even date base it so that I start the war with 6 until a certain date and then revert to 5, or vice versa, or whatever. Imagination. :)

How would I do that,put the 6th eel back;)say for a special mission?:yep:

U-boat.net uses information that they got second-hand, who knows where? I can show at least one other reference of theirs that is definitely wrong. I have Submarines of World War II, and it doesn't mention loadouts at all. Do any of those books you show cite an original source? They all qualify as secondary, and there is a chance that they quote each other.

Don't get me wrong: I think it's five as well. There's just a big difference between saying "All the sources I can find say this", and saying with absolute finality "This is so!"

I'm still looking for a true original source.

One source I'm adhering to of late states 5, but room for a 6th if sacrifices are made to other stowage provision:

Ubootwaffe, Marine-Kleinkampfverbande, 39-45, Waldemar Trojca. http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...ies/pirate.gif

The description of the Type II family in U-Boats Under the Swastika (Jak P. Mallman Showell, Naval Institute Press 1989, ISBN 0-87021-970-7) states that all carried five torpedoes (or 18 mines). The idea that six could be shipped for special missions by giving up living space/rations or whatever is not unreasonable IMO.
Good Hunting

bumped to the top for Nik.

thanks for the instructions Mikayl! :rock:

Thank you gord96,have been away from the intermong due to my puter lunching its hard drive:cry::nope:so I missed this,cheers to Mikhayl for the detailed help as well:up:

I just upgraded from a type IIA to the type IID. It's November 1939 and with two succesful patrols in the bag, I though I'd give Gunther et al a run for their money. I must say that after patrol after patrol of stalk, aim, salvo fire in tanker alley, it was nice to have to pay attention to how I aim every single torpedo.

The little type IID really hones the kaptain's skill.

Oh yes, this little baby is something! Here's a little incident:

During Weserübung I was cruising near Bodo in my U-141. I got a map contact about an enemy task force heading to Narvik fjord. I decided to follow, hoping to catch them on the way back. The weather was awful, heavy wind and rain. So there I was, heading up the fjord, when suddenly a destroyer appears at 600 m (kinda poor visibility). And another. And another, all steaming towards me.

Uh-oh. Dive.

And when I'm diving, the Nelson emerges from the rain, bearing 90, 7kts, with yet another three escorts. I remain at periscope depth, go ahead flank, make a tight turn to the left, end up pointing straight towards the Nelson with 90 Aob and fire a salvo of three at her main guns at 500 m. And down she went, with a bang!

Now all I had to do was to shake those 6-7 escorts... But surprisingly, it wasn't even hard. Bad weather, 1940, a IID and 120m of water did the trick and I escaped without a scratch! There was a close call though, the damn battleship carcass almost fell on me, I guess it missed me with about 50 m:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/...e19495c2_o.jpg

Gotta love this boat. I guess I would have been killed a few times there if I had been in a VII.

this little boat turned me from a lousy shot, into a submarine sharpshooter, LOL...:rock: