Well, since CHuck Norris isn't in Iraq, I have to disagree with that assesment! :D Read my provious links, espcially the Dave G. reports.

ANyway, I am not so sure that given them the bomb is a bad idea however. SOmething tells me that before they get around to nuking us with advanced mini bombs, they will nuke themselves back to the stone age.

-S

Aye, we are thinking pretty much the same way. The way I see it, US and some of it's allies have nukes, which are baaaaaad. Still, they are keeping theirs "for their on safety" they reject other countries from having them. I mean, I know alot of will disagree with me, but isnt that a tad twisted?

You know why its not? Because the very people making them are the very people who are threatening to use them - Iran threatening to destroy Isreal off the map comes to mind. Last I checked, the US didn't want to nuke anyone, but keep them strictly for the MAD policy.

-S

Yes, but would Iran do that? They attacking Israel would start an armed response from the west right? They would gain nothing from it. After the defend of Israel the West would most propably invade Iran. And Iran would lose. Please, guys, let them stretch their muscles, they arent stupid to do anything. ;)

Frankly, I don't give ANY creedence to exile groups who will do anything to get the USA to free their $hithole from oppressive dictator of the day and then and then slam the door on us once they get back in power. The INC and Chalabi pulled EXACTLY the same crap. And now look at where we are.

I don't know much about Mr. Gaubatz, but if all he can come up with for his efforts are interviews with Fox News and his own website I just can't think he's legit. I mean come on, if there was serious evidence of WMDs don't you think more than one person would be crowing about it? Tons of people would LOVE to have that drop from the sky like God given manna to the neo con movement. It would save a lot of people politically.

I personally don't trust the Israelis at all (not to say I trust the US media either). They drain my tax dollars for a first class military/domestic "joint" military R&D bought and paid for by the US government right before they turn around and sell it to the Chinese. The time to give anything to the Israelis for free ended after the USSR broke up. They are far more of a liability now than any sort of real ally. And since we give them all the cool guns, guess who else we have to sell to? Good for them though, they bombed a Syrian WMD site a few times.

PD

Trust me, the US would be the first country to get rid of it's nukes if everybody else agreed to. We need them the least due to the strength of our conventional forces. 3rd world countries see them as an "easy" way to the big leagues and preventing the US from playing aerial assassin with impunity.

PD

I loved his action movies when I was a kid! He's a legit martial artist, though. I wouldn't call him a joke. He's recently very popular again due to the Chuck Norris facts website.

PD

Thats the problem - they can't 'discredit' Gaubatz. He is highly decorated and yet his message is a liability to both democrats and republicans alike. Couple this to a person who is best described as one of the purest and unselfish form of human that has probably walked the Earth, and the US Gov has a problem with him. THey can't just sweep him under the rug, so they are just hoping no one notices him for now.

This will show that he is well known, and not just involved with WMD's:

http://www.davegaubatz.com/files/Pau...graphy_pdf.pdf

http://www.antimedia.us/dave_gaubatz/

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blog...e-gaubatz.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...4-27EEDE7AF8CB

http://www.intelligencesummit.org/sp...vidGaubatz.php

http://www.nysun.com/article/27183

http://www.mappingsharia.us/Jihad-in...cle-429-65.htm

How many do you want? There are thousands of them.



Some articles by him:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...ctives_of.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...united_st.html

-S

Let's hear the Symphony of Lies once again with full volume :rock:
Don't forget to note the part of Colin Powell's speech from Feb, 2001

Personally, I don't hate Bushie as much as I hate Donald Duckling Rumsy and Penis Cheney. Hope that this duo will burn in hell

Oh, I don't think he's some crazy. I understand he's a well respected professional. Just I think if there was something to it he WOULD garner more attention. Just him isn't enough for me.

And it isn't that I don't think there's any "reasonable doubt" concerning Iraqi WMDs. I, just like anyone else, can never be 100% sure. Because the physical reality, as mentioned earlier, is that it isn't too difficult to hide a small inventory of say chemical weapons. I just remain unconvinced that there was a reason for Saddam in his calculus of survival (which he was very skilled at) to possess WMDs after the late '90s. Stick it to the western world via weapons inspectors, sure. Sticking it to the western world just happens to be the national identity he created for Iraq that held his country together. But I think he knew if there was any real hard evidence of WMDs in his country post 9-11, his career would be over in short order. And I just don't think he would even take the chance of stashing a few artillery shells with chemical tipped warheads under his sons' mattresses "just in case" the Kurds or Shiia got uppity again. Let alone be caught with a real WMD program or inventory, he was too smart for that. Whether by his hands or ours, I believe Iraq's WMD capabilities withered away in the very early part of 21st century.

PD

I can see you are a gambling man.

You are assuming rational and logical reasoning from a people who's track record speaks otherwise.

All a country can go by is actions...by that token Iran should take very seriously a response from the U.S. or Israel.Israel can not afford to gamble on any threat such as nuclear...period.Get this thru your head.Take your own advice and look thru other eyes.At the clearest sign that Iran was approaching some sort of nuclear capability at some facility if I were Israel I would flatten it in a heart beat.Iran and Muslim nations need to simply wake up and face facts.The rest of the world is getting very tired of dealing with they're B.S. .

Not fair that some have bombs and some do not?...who ever said life was fair?...and I thank God at the moment they do not.

Can someone explain why the fact that the US and her allies have an overwhelming superiority in nuclear firepower would not work as a deterant to any 'rogue' nation that aquires a small nuclear capablity?

The 'loonies' in Iran might be prety bonkers but they are not that bonkers to commit national suicide. What would they gain from it?

Martyrdom

-S

Ask Skybird...he seems pretty versed in loonies. :) Again you assume you are dealing with rational people yet the ,I'm sorry to say, religion/belief of many Muslims is that if you kill as many infidels as possible you bump yourself right up to the head of the class in heaven...this is the short and ugly version but it's the truth...GET OVER IT and ACCEPT IT.

This is who you are dealing with...now try to have a rational,peaceful,co-exsistence with someone who actually believes if he kills you it is not different than killing a cow?

I did not make this religion up...I just try to understand my opponents pov and understand it I do.

INFIDELS!

Such overwhelming detterents only work if the people you are deterring want to live more than die.

But you are assuming that everybody in Iran or all of those in power in Iran are irrational, infact more than that they would have to be certifiably mad.

As far as I have seen Iran's strategy seems perfectly rational.

You know, I'm not such a big fan of the current administration either, but I hope you realize that to serious policy-watchers that kind of name-calling puts you on a lower level than them. Do you have anything real to offer, or just insults?

A real thought provoking occupation in your profile as well. I'm sure many on here will appreciate it....not :nope:

Hahahahaha! That is a funny one. you are joking i hope! :D I almost spit my beer I was drinking on reading that.

Anyway, you do know the president is merely a puppet to the clerics, right? In case not, the one who holds ultimate power in Iran is called the 'Supreme Leader' who is the head religious man in Iran. He has the ability to override the president on any matter of state, and is the ultimate commander in chief over the military. To launch a nuke attack even in the event of complete destruction as a consequence is an option to them. Khomeini used to hold this position before his death. I forget who holds it now, but he is also some whacko just like Khomeini used to be.

-S

My question exactly. Saddam was our best ally in the Middle-East... well, him and Israel, but the Israeli government is weak. By removing him and instating a greenhorn government in his place, we've allowed the terrorists and the radicals to enter the country without much difficulty at all. This is, basically, another version of the Vietnam War. Heard it before, and it's true. Same ****, different day.

This thread took a noise dive IMO.

On a lighter side, what are you drinking Subman? Just plain old Guinness here. :)

PD