I'm certain that I will never play the U-Boat but I am buying the patch tomorrow to support Elanaiba and the Dev team... and wait to install it when the mods I like catch up.

A mission or two in my GATO class in the Atlantic to sink something German - (Axis powers) - or a photo mission in the Med would make my day... lol

Happy Hunting!

Art

CO USS SCAMP (SS-277)

Does this mean there will be no free patch?
We all know there are still bugs in 1.4. Obvious bugs, like the connign tower dial bug just for example. There was never a official patch for this...that's a very weak support.

I've seen the Addon on shelf today...for 14,95€...that equals 22,45$.

In fact I'm now waiting for a update or patch for this addon before I considering to buy it.

Just a lesson that years of gaming taught me.

I certainly bought the rights to use it in its entirety.

Here's an example, the Game GuildWars. You would have heard of it i'm sure. This game I have purchased 3 expansions + mulitiple bonus 'add-ons'. But at the same time, the game will always make sure I have the same 'patch version' as any other player. Guild Wars has cost me about $500. The reason I keep spending the money is because I feel I will always be looked after. When I log into Guild Wars, I am updated with new content with no fee... constant 'patching'. I realise Anet has set a very high bar, maybe I am wrong to expect this much from each game I purchase.

It seems everyone has an urge to kick me at this point, for you it should be no different.

Hmmm, did I say anything about kicking anyone? Not that I would be able, I am not a mod.

Now..

You have not bought the Silent Hunter Engine in the sense you buy the UT engine, for example. As for the MP problem, I can sympathize, but that is unsolvable for us.

There are many games where the MP player base is divided by versions - see IL-2 -> AEP -> PF -> 1946. You can't play with the big guys unless you have the latest version. Perfect solution? no!

And frankly, If I didn't have a technology impediment and full decision control, my games would have "everyone has the same base, buy the new stuff to get to use it".

But if the add-on adds new ships, and you get them for free, why buy the add-on then?

I don't believe we can compare SH4 to a game like Guild Wars. Yeah, they're both pieces of computer software. But past that, it becomes apples & oranges.

From what I've seen of it, Guild Wars comes across as a hack & slash MMORPG. Don't know if you've happened to notice it or not, but there seems to be quite a few of these lately. Probably because there are a lot of people who want to play them. Lots of people willing to pay money to play them (some, like WoW, even pay monthly, in addition to the purchase of the original software + expansions!).

Silent Hunter, on the other hand, fills a niche market. How many submarine simulations are out there? How many are "modern" (produced, released, and sold within the last couple years)?

It doesn't take much to see that there's a lot more money in putting a MMORPG out there, than there is in a sub sim. If you're running a company, looking at the bottom line, where are you more likely put your dev's to work?

As a result, I'm more than happy to send a pittance to Ubi & the dev's every now and then, in return for an increasingly polished product. At least I'm not up on WoW, pouring money out of my pockets each month, trying to powerlevel my character up to level 60.

If you're not happy with the above, and figure you shouldn't have to pay for patches, go check out Danger From The Deep. Put your lack of money, excess time, and excess energy where your mouth is, and produce. DftD is open source... you've got the code and game data right in front of you. Make it what you want it to be.

I think you missed my point a little there elanaiba. I'm talking more about things like Library files, tweaks to .dat .sim etc.. and general engine improvements. I would not expect anyone to get access to new content such as planes and boats etc.. thats what people should pay for :p Tweaks and balances are for Patches.

I'm talking about the engine and tweaks to that engine. Please understand that I have no problems buying the addon, in fact I already have it. More content is great and add-ons are an excellent way to generate funds for future developement.

On a side note, thanks for adding some items for New Zealand's roster :up:

theluckyone17: I don't play wow, nor would I ever use a pay to play product. Your generalisations are glaring.

I'm not interested in your flame. I suggest you take your unproductive post and yourself and avoid my discussions.

My apologies, AkbarGulag. I tried to tone that down a little bit, honest I did :cool:. You should've seen the first draft :nope:. I should've elaborated a bit... didn't mean it personally, but as a general statement to all those out there complaining about the 1.5 "patches" (as opposed to add-ons) not being backported to the 1.4 installs, without having to purchase the add-on.

The dev's (and Ubi) are putting time and energy into these patches/add-ons, and I feel they should be suitably compensated for it. If anyone doesn't feel the same, that's fine... ain't gonna bother me none. I would prefer they take that energy and put towards a good project, though. I'm just sayin' :D.

And if you're ever passing through Albany, NY, drop me a line... I owe you one on my tab :yep:

(To Luckyone)

No problem Luckone. Just so hard to have a thought or opinion here recently without someone putting spin on it. I try to articulate myself as well as possible. Being a carpainter for 13 years never gave me the need for a pen(aside from some scrawling:lol:), I swear, picking it up again so to speak has been challenging. Not sure if I will ever get to Albany NY (New York?) but I do love a nice cold beer on occasion ;)


(To everyone)

I value elanaiba's statements and would like to keep the threads useful. I'm sure he has better things to do, so being here is a big plus for all of us. Can we please, pretty please with cheries on top all be nice to our visitors :yep:

Actually, it ran me about $25.

$10 for the game, $15 for the beer. :p

I bought it... If for no other reason than to mod the new files , keep up with development and honor Dave's memory and contribution.

Soon as I can replace the new 1.5 splash screen the better...:shifty:

$10 bucks for the Download,
$7 bucks for the beer.
Now a system that will run it at full tilt?
(My current one won't)
And the cost of the Divorce, finding a place to live,
paying Lawyers?
PRICELESS!!
:rotfl:
Thanks Ubi Guys!
:up:

You're not actually married to your Boat? :stare:

INFIDEL!

DOH!!
:oops:
Got me there!!
:rotfl:
Although Nancy would say I'm married to Ubi's Evil SH series.
:lol:
:hmm:
perhaps I could divorce Ubi and win?
Seems like there has to be a shady Lawyer somewhere that would take the case?
:rotfl:

No lawyer would be willing to go and help you with all of Ubi's U-Boats and Fleet Boats patrolling the waters for Lawyers shipping around...

I have no issue with the paying for content, actually. I'd spend more on a single glass of wine some places I eat. Looks like there is some possible useful functionality, anyway.

The way to get 1.5 and no u-boats is easy. But the add-on, and don't play any u-boats, that's certainly my plan, I've owned Il-2 for years and never even been tempted to fly any german planes.

Is there any truth to the rumor that you can burn the d\l to dvd ?

Earlier today someone posted such. I can't find their post now.

Silly question here; but here goes. Is this downloadable expansion from UBI compatible with the cd version?

Hi pops2007:) I guess about 99% sure you can. With all the threads and posts flying around , if I were you I'd make 100% sure. Good Luck :up:

[quote=FIREWALL]Is there any truth to the rumor that you can burn the d\l to dvd ?

Earlier today someone posted such. I can't find their post now.

BUMP

Its $10 bucks man , come on . I am not interested to play the nazis at this stage again after SH3 but the other stuff for the pacific campaign is more than worth it . Too many new little and big things to mention here .