No. Bush'y attitudfe and behavior has been totally tarrible on so many occasions, every candidate you named usually behaves far more intelligent and clever, than Bush does. Also, some decisions of Bush and how he excused them were so stupid that one cannot imagine that record to be fulfilled by any of thes eother guys so easily. And finally, esoecially the democratic candidates probbaly would not have been so vulnarable to fall to the neocon's agenda, who usually are associated with the rightwinged republicans, not the democrats.

Stop defending an idiot! Loyalty to an idiot just falls back onto you. And that hardly could be seen as a compliment. "Who is the greater fool? the fool or the guy who follows him?"

Stop telling us to stop defending our President. People like you make me wish i could vote him in for a third term.

I think I've internalised most of the crap coming from DC these days, living in America did that to me. It's a lot easier to complain from a long way away, gets a little more complex in the US.
What I mean by internalised is that it doesn't even raise my eyebrows anymore. So bloody used to it. Which is a shame, seeing as there's a lot to get angry about.

Oh, and saying that things "would have been worse" under a different President is a little specious. It took an event that no-one expected to turn a mild-mannered nonentity into a paranoid delusional God-bothered wreck.

You do not represent a majority of your people anymore. Last number I heared is Bush support is far below 30%, and a substantial majority being against him.

Who is the greater fool - the fool or the guy who follows him...

Please don't confuse job approval ratings with being for or against the president. You know very well this is not the same thing.

I say the fool who has no clue where he stands. This means you. You sit here and tell me how much you hate this and that about radical Islam for example, yet you hate the one man on the planet standing against them, and then condem him for it? You need to take a breather from society I say and go and find yourself.

-S

I'd say a man for whom the appearance of standing against radical islam works. Saying he's the only one is flat-out wrong.
Also, given the rhetoric coming from Bin Laden, and the increasingly polarised world, you could say that GW Bush is helping out. That "with us/against us" stuff, etc.
And there's a lot more to criticise him for than his "policies" regarding Islam.

I don't agree with Skybird on a lot of things, but I wouldn't say he has no idea where he stands.

So, if this is correct, who exactly is standing up then? I see no one. Maybe someone from your fantasyland? Sure, leaders give hand outs, and token forces, but they are just gestures for favor. Only the Brits have done any real good. Outside of GW then (since the Brits are pulling out), are you refering to?

-S

I know very well that now a majority of Americans will be happy on the day he leaves office.

And you need to stop taking sunbaths in your own self-imagined greatness, else you end as smoking coal. Bush does not stand against islam. How could that be said of a man who lacks the intellect to understand what Islam is, and whose family has close ties with one of ther worst islamic enemies there are - Saudi Arabia, and who pushed for years a policy that officialy another ,major enemy, Pakistan, as an ally? :rotfl:

Bush making a stand against Islam. That must be the joke of the year in thois forum! :lol: Next you tell me he is the savior of New Orleans!

He is your idol. fine. leave it to that. And if you ever visit Western, Northern and Southern Europe, don't be too eager to let people know - chances are you might find yourself at the receiving end of some non-stopping joking. ;)

Do you remember the 80-ies?

When there were lots of demostration almost every day in Germany, England a.s.o

against Reagans decision to place nuke in europe? BUT no one was demostrating against The russian who was placing nukes Not so far from Germany.

Nowaday every one know that it was the KGB how wad behind all this.

Maybe one day in the future we will learn, that it was Saudia-Arabia(maybe) who was behind this "anti bush-thing"

Markus

That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my life.

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Indeed, the 80s saw anti-americanism for no other reason than being anti-america, it was en vogue to be so, and the Russians indeed did their best to keep that flame alive, especially amongst the yoiung, students, the left partzies, and civil rights initiatives. However, it has faded a bit after the 80s and the fall of the wall. It then came back after Bush started to mess up his office, and plkaces in the world. But that anti-americanism this time was and is met by larger parts of the population than just the left and the young, and it is not anti-America for no other reason than being en vogue with that, but for reasons of critical, reasonable arguments about american policies installed under bush, and by the Neocon establishement, also, the chnaged media available now have rasied the awareness and information level of the public. So, the two decades do not really compare in the nature and qulaity of their anti-americanism. and I say that having lived the whole 80s in Westberlin, age 12-22, and that ctiy as the most actoive in all Germany concerning anarchistic youth movements fighting the police for some shabby houses, and anti-american protests - I remember all that very well. the present is totally different, the worldwide massive boost in anti-americanism today - is "made in the US" as a logical reaction to american climate policies , financial policies, Iraq, Iran which is a story with two faces, of course), and the perception of religious fundamentalism getting stronger in the US since Bush came to power. His poor performance during Katrina is not so much of concern for us over here, but nevertheless we took a somewhat desinterested note of his failure. Last but not least that anti-americanism is what drives quite a lot of people into a tolerant perception of Islam, thinking that it is a victim of America only, and a remedy to american predatory capitalism. this linking of thoughts is especially popular amongst the poltiical left, but has it's fans in the centre and the right as well.

Honestly, by luck or by stupidity, we were lucky a bomb wasnt used following Sept. 11. I've no doubt there were people pushing for it, but he didnt. Would any of the other potential contenders have made the same decision not to launch?

"He's" handled a number of thigns poorly. I put it in "" because i would suggest a lot of things were fed selectively to him in order to achieve the goals of others. Think about it, if person A relies on person B to tell that whats going on and who caused it, and person B has an agenda, how can person A be held accountable for decisions made based on the trusted info given by person B.

Internally i think he could have and should have done a lot more, but you can say that about every single leader in history im sure.

As far as the obvious goes, the iraq question, so many peole are complaining that they want troops home immediately. Okay, suppose that happens. How many of those people drive cars, ride busses, trains, planes, if Iraq were abandoned tomorrow, the instability there has a great chance of spilling over elsewhere in the region, which incidentally is where most the worlds oil comes from. That'll drive prices up which will hit at the bowser and ticket stalls, which people will complain about.

Are they willing to put up with tthe huge rise in price that would imo be inevitable?

I digress. Yes he's said some remarkable things, i have a book of Bush'isms at work. But i really think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place and i think he's handled a lot of things better than others may've. I feel there is a lot of sentiment there similar to here, that the incumbent govt has been there too long and lost touch and needs to go asap. Most people dont seem to realise that the tough decisions are made with the nations interests in mind with the best available info.

Bush is and will always be one of the worst leaders in this nations history. He gives tax breaks to the rich, makes the the working class pay higher taxes, runs his countrys economy into the ground, refuses to think that gloabal warming is real, the list goes on and on. We are not the freakin' world police but Bush doesn't care.
If the conflict in the Middle East continues we might have a third world war on our hands. If mankind does not learn from history it is damned to repeat it. Bush says that its "Gods" will that we will win the war and yet fewer and fewer people in this country want to go over there, and we cannot use the draft because congress will not suport it nor will the people of this country. The sooner Bush is out of office the better. President Bush, its is a democracy you IDIOT not a monarchy. This country is becoming the exact oppisite that the colonist came to this country in the first place. The church says this and that about stem cells, abortions and all this other bull. This country has a seperation between church and state, the government says what is the right thing to do not the church.

I agree with alot of what is said about Bush here....what people from other places don't understand is he is a human being ...just like everyone else, and was handed the crapiest deal a president could have been handed and did the best he could with what he had available.

History or whomever can try to lay all the blame soley at his feet for what has transpired but we all know that is too easy.

anyway I watch Letterman at night and David just cracks me up with his clips on Bush so if you haven't seen this watch it and laugh...he's just a man....a hillbilly even. :) but he's ours and we love him....and if you don't go vote next year....and if your from another country lump it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa3J-L29iT8

Iceman I do agree with you on the part that Bush is human,but he started a war with nearly no real information at all, and had his buddys put into positions that they couldn't handle properly. Just look a the Hurricane Katrina disaster. The very,very slow response was due to the person in charge of FEMA who didn't respond to it in time. And we are still cleaning it up!!! Some of the things that this president has done even oversteps the bounderies of that president is allowed and has broken international laws, mainly that of the Genevia Convention. I'm quite amazed that he has not been impeached yet.

And support for the Democrat congress is far lower, big deal. Bush's popularity ratings are common for this stage in a presidency. It has nothing to do with how history sees him.

Besides i think someday you're gonna find yourself wishing that Bush were still President. Now there's a thought eh?

Old thought. I already said it during the last elections, arguing that Kerry winning would have given europeans more trouble to not rally behind the Iraq war, for he would have been less offensive, less bullying, and more clever in manners, that way making it more difficult to slam the door in his face. Being disgusted by Bush is easy, even if content and policies are not taken into account.

Well said... :up:

@August: I'm 50 and remember the Carter years quite well... :yep:

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