No US sub went into Tokyo Bay before the surrender. The sub in the Doolittle raid actually near the mouth, but was by no means inside like we are ordered in SH4 all the time. The boat didn't take pictures, she broadcast weather reports (not sure about the pilots using the radio to home on, I may be remembering another mission I read about).

That movie was fictional regarding the sub.

tater

PS--I'm working on the radio mission ;)

http://www.valoratsea.com/recon.htm

All the RL recon missions, only some are photo. None anywhere remotely near Japan.

Anti-picket boat sweeps might also be a fun rerplacement.

I think USS Wahoo is missing, if memory serves correctly Morton was sent to the harbour of Wewak to do some reconassance.

Wahoo "stuck her nose" into Wewak, but it was just Morton looking for stuff to kill, not recon as I recall. Have a look at Wewak though:

http://wwwrses.anu.edu.au/geodynamic...o/wewakmap.jpg

It ain't Tokyo bay by a long stretch ;) Pretty wide open. But, and this is important, just gettign close to "Wewak Harbor" in that wide open area was considered VERY dangerous (and it was). Going into the harbors routinely ordered in SH4 is orders of magnitude more daring than what Wahoo did. That's why having the missions is bad, IMO. It makes what should be, well, suicidally insane, commonplace.

tater

You're right these missions are suicide missions. If you should do reconaissance then you should photgraph shore or beach installations. It would be cool to get the mission to shell shore installations but I guess they're indistructable.:shifty:

EDIT:

"On 24 January 1943, Wahoo dove two miles north of Kairiru Island and proceeded around the western end to penetrate Victoria Bay. She sighted a destroyer with Ro-class submarines nested around it. The destroyer was getting underway, so Wahoo fired a spread of three torpedoes at the moving target; all missed aft. Another was fired which the destroyer avoided by turning away, then circled and headed for Wahoo. The submarine watched him, keeping bows on, waiting until the destroyer had closed to a frightening distance of 800 yards before firing the fifth and last torpedo in the forward tubes. It struck amidships, breaking his back. Wahoo had no difficulty escaping the area. Despite her heavy damage Harusame was beached and repaired."

taken from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wahoo_(SS-238)

Wahoo was under orders to reconniter the harbor to see if the Japanese were massing ships there for an attack. :know:

You're absolutely right:yep:, the candidate has won the jackpot!;)

Cool, I didn't remember that!

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Regardless, as you can see, the harbor is pretty darn open to the sea, the daring part was that they actualy got in close instead of taking a peek from as far away as was practical.

tater

You must have had some guts to get that close!:arrgh!:

Well since my last post around 11 or so this morning, it's now 5:30 and I'm really no closer to my objective than I was earlier.

I got spotted by a couple subchasers and a DD and have been playing cat and mouse at 130 feet, silent running, battlestations, and 1/3 ahead or full stop most of the time hoping to wait them out ... so far it doesn't appear to be working.

I've had a couple convoys pass overhead while waiting and that gave me some breathing time from the DC attack, but for the most part I've been untouched. Just getting the hell pinged out of me tough.

((Not sure if this is relivant or not, but I've been playing this career without using waypoints plotted on the map. The AI seems to know I'm in the general area but it can not pin point me exactly as there is no path for it to project upon. I'm doing manual navigation.))

stay in shallow waters
 

I did already two harbour missions (HATE :nope:) including tokyo, i recommend:

-start with near full batteries before entering harbour bays. you will have no chance of escape if you enter already with onyl 1/2 batteries
-sometimes the first destroyer line can be passed by diesel engine over water max speed
-run close near one coast line, you will have contact with bottom
-look out for some smaler bays for a hide, letting ships pass
-save often.... :damn:

One technique I've used is to wait for a commercial ship to enter the harbor and then hide underneath it matching it's speed and direction. Any patrol boats ignore the commercial ship, and your prop noise is hidden by the ship's props. Getting out of the harbor tends to be easier because the patrol boats are looking outward not inward. :D

Funny you should say that. I remember my dad telling me that's exactly how they snuck into a Russian port back in the 70's when he was riding subs. :arrgh!: I'll give it a try.

Well its now Monday, and my original posts were written on saturday, but ultimately what happened was during the cat and mouse game, the chasers and DD backed off for the passage of a commercial boat. I snagged the opportunity and flanked out of my hole to get behind the merchant. The task force was left to wondering where I disappeared to.

I got my pictures and by the end of sunday night (just before SNF) I was exiting Tokoyo Bay. The whole of the mission was done at 1:1 .. Zero TC.