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melnibonian 09-16-07 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna
Probably a skill evolved over many years borne out of necessity and self preservation mel :hmm:

I totally agree with that mate but if you claim High Moral Ground you should be making sure you're up to the standards you ask the others to be ;)
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Yes, like contempt for not allowing oneself to be nuked by incoming Syrian Scuds. Bad, bad Israel!!!!!!

I totally agree with this point, but what about (Bad, Bad) Syria who does not want to be nuked by Israeli bombes as well (and those actually exist and they're not in planning or development stage)

The Avon Lady 09-16-07 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by melnibonian
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Yes, like contempt for not allowing oneself to be nuked by incoming Syrian Scuds. Bad, bad Israel!!!!!!

I totally agree with this point, but what about (Bad, Bad) Syria who does not want to be nuked by Israeli bombes as well (and those actually exist and they're not in planning or development stage)

It is Syria that declared a perpetual state of war with Israel - not vice versa.

It is Syria that directly arms its proxies in Lebanon and Gaza to attack Israel.

It is very simple. If Syria disbanded their armed forces tomorrow, down to the last pistol, what harm would come to Syria from Israel by doing so? Absolutely none.

Now reverse the scenario.

melnibonian 09-16-07 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
It is Syria that declared a perpetual state of war with Israel - not vice versa.

It is Syria that directly arms its proxies in Lebanon and Gaza to attack Israel.

It is very simple. If Syria disbanded their armed forces tomorrow, down to the last pistol, what harm would come to Syria from Israel by doing so? Absolutely none.

Now reverse the scenario.

Well it's these kind of thoughts that brought all the countries in the region to fight each other, but I do hope with all my heart that one day you will all learn and manage to live next to each other.

The Avon Lady 09-16-07 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by melnibonian
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
It is Syria that declared a perpetual state of war with Israel - not vice versa.

It is Syria that directly arms its proxies in Lebanon and Gaza to attack Israel.

It is very simple. If Syria disbanded their armed forces tomorrow, down to the last pistol, what harm would come to Syria from Israel by doing so? Absolutely none.

Now reverse the scenario.

Well it's these kind of thoughts that brought all the countries in the region to fight each other.

Rhetoric. Historic pulp fiction.

Tomorrow is another day. :sunny:

kurtz 09-16-07 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by melnibonian
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
It is Syria that declared a perpetual state of war with Israel - not vice versa.

It is Syria that directly arms its proxies in Lebanon and Gaza to attack Israel.

It is very simple. If Syria disbanded their armed forces tomorrow, down to the last pistol, what harm would come to Syria from Israel by doing so? Absolutely none.

Now reverse the scenario.

Well it's these kind of thoughts that brought all the countries in the region to fight each other, but I do hope with all my heart that one day you will all learn and manage to live next to each other.

What? Muslim countries live in harmony with a civilised nation?

C'mon we're talking about people who's religious beliefs hold that, at best, they dissemble peaceful intentions until they can destroy their enemy.

JALU3 09-16-07 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kurtz
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Originally Posted by melnibonian
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
It is Syria that declared a perpetual state of war with Israel - not vice versa.

It is Syria that directly arms its proxies in Lebanon and Gaza to attack Israel.

It is very simple. If Syria disbanded their armed forces tomorrow, down to the last pistol, what harm would come to Syria from Israel by doing so? Absolutely none.

Now reverse the scenario.

Well it's these kind of thoughts that brought all the countries in the region to fight each other, but I do hope with all my heart that one day you will all learn and manage to live next to each other.

What? Muslim countries live in harmony with a civilised nation?

C'mon we're talking about people who's religious beliefs hold that, at best, they dissemble peaceful intentions until they can destroy their enemy.

Religion doesn't automatically mean that a person will destroy their enemy. However, if the religion teaches that what must be done, then it is far more likely.

JALU3 09-17-07 12:00 AM

News Flash
 
Secret Raid on Korean shipment

Happy Times 09-17-07 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JALU3

Owned, again.:up:

The Avon Lady 09-17-07 11:39 AM

Meanwhile, in the darklands.........

Related: Heads up, USA!

geetrue 09-17-07 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Meanwhile, in the darklands.........

Related: Heads up, USA!



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Originally Posted by General Mohammad Hassan Koussechi told the official IRNA news agency.
Today... we have reached capacities that allow us to hit the enemy at a range of 2,000 kilometres," added Koussechi, who is co-commander of the elite force in the west of Iran

Did you read about Russia having developed the mother bomb of all bombs last week?

Guess where it was this week-end ... "For sale at a arms convention meeting", according to ABC news saturday edition. Go to ABC news if you don't believe me.

Who could afford such a bomb as big as that? "Oil has now reached a price of $82.00 a barrel" Just three years ago oil reached it's highest level ever at $55.00 a barrel.

Even the CIA can see war on the way, but which president will it be up to that's the question?

geetrue 09-17-07 01:56 PM

I found a link for you ... unfortunately it is based on speculation, but still very interesting:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123675

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Speculation continues to abound regarding the nature of the Israeli Air Force operation on September 6th originally reported as a violation of Syrian airspace.
Israel’s military censor remains vigilant within the country, forcing Israel-based press to limit reporting to the reprinting of foreign reports on the shadowy operation. Israel's largest daily Yediot Acharonot reported only that the mission was titled Operation Orchard. Local press circles claim to have knowledge that Israel delivered a stunning blow to Syria, which was caught completely by surprise and suffered heavy losses.
The Korean Nuclear Material Story
The leading hypothesis now is that a shipment of material for a Syrian nuclear project from North Korean was the target of the air strike. That possibility was bolstered by a report Saturday in the Washington Post documenting the arrival of a vessel containing components of nuclear technology three days earlier in the region, before the Israeli planes struck.
According to the report, the shipment was labeled “cement” and the nascent nuclear facility as an “agricultural research center.” Israeli intelligence identified it, however, as a facility to “extract uranium from phosphates.” The Post said that secrecy surrounding the mission was even extended to the pilots taking part, who were not all briefed as to the full scope of the mission. The pilots who actually struck the facility, it says, only after takeoff.
Syria’s Ambassador to the US Imad Moustapha denied that report to Newsweek, calling it "absolutely, totally, fundamentally ridiculous and untrue."
US officials quoted by both the Washington Post and Fox News have confirmed the North Korean connection, however, and say that both North Korea and the nuclear proliferation network run by Pakistan’s Abdul Qadeer Khan have transferred to Syria information, technology and uranium-enrichment equipment.
An investigative report commissioned by Haaretz found that the SS Al-Hamed, a ship reported by different trade web sites as flying the North Korean flag, arrived in Syria during the time in question. Details of the ship and the fact that it was flying a North Korean flag were subsequently removed from the sites.
Weapons From Iran For Hizbullah
Last Wednesday, the New York Times reported that the targets struck by Israel were weapons caches being dispatched to Hizbullah in Lebanon by Iran.
Syria’s UN Ambassador dismissed that claim as well. "This is blah blah. This is nonsense, this is an unfounded statement. It is not up to the Israelis or anyone else to assess what we have in Syria," he said. "There was no target, they dropped their munitions. They were running away after they were confronted by our air defense.”
CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, citing extensive unnamed sources, said that IDF ground forces took part in the operation, marking the targets. After the strikes, she said, there was a “big hole in the desert.”
Dry Run For Bombing Iran
According to the British Observer, the Israeli operation “involved as many as eight aircraft, including Israel's most ultra-modern F-15s and F-16s equipped with Maverick missiles and 500 pound bombs.”
The operation, the report speculates based on Turkish security sources, was a dry-run of a bombing mission that would destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities. Turkey’s security and intelligence were “in the loop” according to the Observer report.
Just a Warning
The British Arabic-language Al-Arabiya newspaper has quoted unnamed sources from NATO’s headquarters in Brussels saying the goal of the Israeli operation was simply “a warning and an experiment.” The sources said Israel was surprised by Syria’s decision to publicize the overflights.
Syria’s Response
In his interview with Newsweek, Syrian Ambassador Moustapha said that Israel would "pay a price" for the operation.
Syria’s Deputy Foreign Minister Faysal Mekdad was then reported to have announced that Syria was not planning a military response to the Israeli operation. On Saturday, he suddenly denied reports that he had said any such thing, ostensibly opening up the possibility of a Syrian reprisal.
After a meeting with his Russian counterpart, Mekdad said: “Syria possesses the means to respond in ways that will preserve its position of power."
Syria filed a complaint with the United Nations over Israeli “aggressions and violation of sovereignty.” No mention was made of any targets bombed.

The WosMan 09-17-07 05:02 PM

Israel amazes me with the level of restraint they have. They are constantly threatened by their neighbors that they will be killed or driven into the sea while rockets and bombs go off and Arabic countries research nuclear technology to point at them. If I was running that country I probably would have pushed the button and wiped the lot of them out by now. Then you have your anti-Semitic lot that claims some neo-con conspiracy and that Israel and the Bush Administration blew up the World Trade Centers to start some type of war :doh:

I expect to see sometime after the primary but before the general election that Iran will be hit by combined US, UK, French, and possible Israeli air forces as well as their only gasoline refinery responsible for over 40% of their gas production destroyed. Sarkozy the other day warned French oil companies that they better pull their investments out of Iran. When the French are on the side of the USA you know something is definitely cooking.....and it isn't Crapes Suzette.

Jimbuna 09-18-07 02:48 AM

Not too sure if having the French on your side is a good or bad thing :hmm:

;)

The WosMan 09-18-07 08:50 AM

You have a point.

The Avon Lady 09-18-07 09:17 AM

The speculation continues.

geetrue 09-18-07 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

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Something similar goes for another theory, this one from British journalist Peter Beaumont of the Observer, that the raid was in fact "a dry run for attack on Iran." Mr. Beaumont is much taken by a report that at least one of the Israeli bombers involved in the raid dropped its fuel tanks in a Turkish field near the Syrian border.
:yep::o :up:

The Avon Lady 09-18-07 01:52 PM

The not-nuke theory.

The Avon Lady 09-18-07 02:05 PM

I think I smell something burning!

That's from back in July.

WMDs. Syria. Hmmm...... :hmm:

geetrue 09-19-07 04:25 PM

No sense in starting another thread ... this news fits the topic:

http://www.lafn.org/politics/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html

I wonder if Iran will use Turkish air space for their journey to the Holy Land?

The Avon Lady 09-20-07 01:30 AM

Morning laugh. :rotfl:

:roll:


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