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geetrue 09-14-07 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by minsc_tdp
I hate to be a dick, but I'm an atheist and this is quite a load of BS.

1. If you had posted this before the hurricane had already happened and wasn't old news, now that would have been something.
2. Why didn't god tell you this ahead of time before the hurricane even formed so you could have done something about it.

I did post it ... not only on subsim:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=120597

I also posted it here:
http://foru.ms/t5717686-prophetic-a-...n-the-way.html

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So essentially you're saying that God told you something would happen after it already happened,
Nope! I just repeated the message the same way He gave it to me on July 17th at foru.ms and on August 18th on subsim.

The real clue in the message is that God is bigger than we can imagine, even Christians are giving me a hard time on this. I forgive you.

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-14-07 01:50 PM

heh. this is a joke. did ye aver saw the "lord" ? if so. prove it

see to believe mate. i rather believe in satan (although he dosnt exist either) than the "lord" :nope:

i asked that b-tard every christian says to be existing to show his presance.
never saw a damn thing :shifty:

say. wasnt there a religion in ammerica about a flying spagheti monster ? :hmm:
mayby you should all believe in that one
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Jimbuna 09-14-07 02:02 PM

Tell me young Kaleun Mohron.....why do you keep engaging the mouth before the brain ?
I thought you learnt that lesson the other day from 'THEHIREDGUN' on a previous thread.
At 19 years of age (or is it in fact your IQ rating) I doubt you can call yourself qualified or even justified in your use of such descriptive terminology towards someone elses chosen religious belief.
To have an opinion is one thing, but you are way over the top in what you posted. :nope:

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-14-07 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna
Tell me young Kaleun Mohron.....why do you keep engaging the mouth before the brain ?
I thought you learnt that lesson the other day from 'THEHIREDGUN' on a previous thread.
At 19 years of age (or is it in fact your IQ rating) I doubt you can call yourself qualified or even justified in your use of such descriptive terminology towards someone elses chosen religious belief.
To have an opinion is one thing, but you are way over the top in what you posted. :nope:

havnt been on the topic of thehiredgun since my last post. :hmm:

im 19 thats correct. but i have no religious choise.
i hate all those stupid "this you may, this you may not" rules.

yes i am a moron today :88)
yes i know i went over the top. but thats how I see religions :shifty:

and. do i have a brain ? :hmm:

Jimbuna 09-14-07 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna
Tell me young Kaleun Mohron.....why do you keep engaging the mouth before the brain ?
I thought you learnt that lesson the other day from 'THEHIREDGUN' on a previous thread.
At 19 years of age (or is it in fact your IQ rating) I doubt you can call yourself qualified or even justified in your use of such descriptive terminology towards someone elses chosen religious belief.
To have an opinion is one thing, but you are way over the top in what you posted. :nope:

havnt been on the topic of thehiredgun since my last post. :hmm:

im 19 thats correct. but i have no religious choise.
i hate all those stupid "this you may, this you may not" rules.

yes i am a moron today :88)
yes i know i went over the top. but thats how I see religions :shifty:

and. do i have a brain ? :hmm:

Check out post #8 and I think you'll find you have been there since he responded to you :yep:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...847#post643847

The point I am trying to make is quite simple.......people of whatever religious faith/belief will not appreciate the deflamatory word you used when referring to their faith.

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-14-07 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna
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Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna
Tell me young Kaleun Mohron.....why do you keep engaging the mouth before the brain ?
I thought you learnt that lesson the other day from 'THEHIREDGUN' on a previous thread.
At 19 years of age (or is it in fact your IQ rating) I doubt you can call yourself qualified or even justified in your use of such descriptive terminology towards someone elses chosen religious belief.
To have an opinion is one thing, but you are way over the top in what you posted. :nope:

havnt been on the topic of thehiredgun since my last post. :hmm:

im 19 thats correct. but i have no religious choise.
i hate all those stupid "this you may, this you may not" rules.

yes i am a moron today :88)
yes i know i went over the top. but thats how I see religions :shifty:

and. do i have a brain ? :hmm:

Check out post #8 and I think you'll find you have been there since he responded to you :yep:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...847#post643847

The point I am trying to make is quite simple.......people of whatever religious faith/belief will not appreciate the deflamatory word you used when referring to their faith.

wasnt #8 my last post ? :hmm:

and if you want il remove it. but i still have THAT statement :yep:

Skybird 09-14-07 03:20 PM

Hehe.

Five minutes of instant enlightenment. Precise, reasonable, and straight to the point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPAC_cGVnUg

And never I will consider myself to be so high-sitting that I would tell somebody: "I forgive you."

minsc_tdp 09-14-07 03:34 PM

I certainly don't hope to make any enemies here since this is, by far, my favorite forum on the net and I hope any heated attitudes don't spill over into other, unrelated, friendly game threads.

Having said that, I will first acknowledge that you did make your statement about 2 months before the "hurricane" hit. But I will try to boil this down to the two key things you are simply ignoring or not understanding that make it all irrelevant.

The first is the overall odds of your revelation coming true. What were the odds? Let's pretend we're bookies and do a little oddsmaking. Well given that a hurricane has broached texas before, and the area has been generally pummelled with hurricanes the last few years, this is a pretty solid bet. If I were a bookie, I'd maybe give you 1.5 to 1. Hurricane Rita hit Texas in 2005 for christs sake. What fool would bet against your revelation?

The statement of "this has never happened before" is only referring to the rapid overnight growth which promoted its status. But your revelation didn't include that so it is completely irrelevant to all of this. You are (perhaps unconsciously) trying to use that to make it appear that the odds of your revelation coming true were very long, when in fact they simply weren't. You want it to be a revelation so you're twisting logic to reinforce that belief. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You also didn't state when it would happen, and while you got lucky and it happened shortly after your revelation was made, which appears to bolster your revelation, it actually doesn't matter since you didn't say when. It could have taken years and your old thread would have been dredged up at that time as Prophecy Fulfilled, albeit with less impact than the way things turned out. But we'll get to that in a second. Focusing still on the odds, as a Vegas bookie, if you tried to make an open-ended bet like that, none would take it, since the bookie will eventually lose the bet. But even if you had added the stipulation (which you didn't) that it would happen by the end of the year, a bookie MIGHT take that bet but the odds would still be maybe 1.5 to 1, given the recent hurricane activity in that area and the randomness of weather. Vegas isn't stupid, and the amazing things they have built are testaments to that.

So there's the odds. Keeping in mind we're talking about a 1.5 to 1 odds bet here, let's move onto point #2. This is a classic case of focusing on the hits and ignoring the misses. The "hit" in this case is your single prediction, even though the odds of it coming true were pretty good of it happening in the first place. The "misses" are the thousands upon thousands of revelations and predictions per hour made throughout the world that don't come true. Those are conveniently ignored, but there is a lot of "I told you so" on the ones that do come true. The way to be on the winning team is to use predictions so vague and open-ended that some of them will come true which you can then focus on - but hell, even Nostradomus knew this trick and was a master at exploiting it, though I think even he would be surprised at the gullibility of people centuries after.

There's even a well established term for this: Confirmation Bias:

"Confirmation-bias (selective evidence). Many people report a common perception of thinking about someone, when the phone then rings and the caller is the person they were thinking of. Is this strong evidence for a psychic ability between these people? The answer is no. It reflects a selective bias in memory and reason. Although we can remember the instances when this does happen (as they can be striking) we rarely remember the instances when it is not the person we were thinking of. Our memory is biased to place an emphasis on the ‘hits’ and ignore the ‘misses’."

Look at the Internet as giant collective brain, and you'll see how a supposedly amazing "hit" will be honed in on by dozens of people and marvelled at when it is just the simple phenominon of confirmation bias.

I fully agree that you believe that God revealed this to you. This might also be the only prediction you've ever made. So, from your perspective, you're 1 for 1. But you are one of many people making predictions, most of which do not come true unless they are vague and open ended like yours and already have good odds that they will come true.

Focusing on the hits and ignoring the misses, completly ignoring the odds, and trying to twist an unrelated fact in your favor, is ignoring the entire field of mathematics and logic, and a slap in the face to every great mathematician who has ever existed over thousands of years, and by extension, every great scientist who has ever lived from the early chinese to Einstein to those alive today.

It is also a slap in the face of all the math and sciences which fueled the industrial revolution and the ensuing population boom which contributed heavily to the odds of your even existing. It's a slap in the face to every person who applies mathematics and science every day to manage the logistics of your trash and water services, and the power services which power the very computer you are on right now, which wouldn't exist at all if it weren't for the combined work of math and science over centuries and, more specifically, the dedicated mathematic and scientific work by the engineers responsible for the actual technology you are using. God did not put that *******ing computer on your desk.

I believe that the world would be a better place if everyone realized such obvious facts and threw out childish notions of spirits and woo-woo. I strongly suggest reading www.randi.org or "Why People Believe Weird Things" by Michael Shermer. Like all who evangelize, please realize that I am only trying to help you and all readers of this thread by showing the truth, nothing more.

Camaero 09-14-07 03:41 PM

Sorry but I don't agree with anyone pushing their religion on anyone. All religions say that theirs is the right one and that all of the others are wrong. Most of them say "do not kill" and nobody seems to follow that one too well on this earth. People also pick and choose which part of the religion they like and they do not follow the other parts. It is so ridiculous. I personally do not think that any religion truly has it right. I don't think it is possible to truly have it right until you move on to the next "thing" (death). I would rather just let people tune in from within themselves rather than from all these wingnuts telling them what is what.



I am pretty much with Skybird here.

Skybird 09-14-07 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
say. wasnt there a religion in ammerica about a flying spagheti monster ? :hmm:

Yes:
http://www.venganza.org/

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Open letter to Kansas school board

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.
Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.
It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.
Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.
I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.
You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.
http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.gif
In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.
Sincerely Yours,
Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.
P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.
http://www.venganza.org/him2.jpg

May the flying spagetti monster with you. Ramen!

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-14-07 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Hehe.

Five minutes of instant enlightenment. Precise, reasonable, and straight to the point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPAC_cGVnUg

And never I will consider myself to be so high-sitting that I would tell somebody: "I forgive you."

he thinks just like me. :yep:

Happy Times 09-14-07 03:50 PM

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I don't think it is possible to truly have it right until you move on to the next "thing" (death).
It funny how dying is the thing that people happily wait in many religions.:D

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-14-07 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
say. wasnt there a religion in ammerica about a flying spagheti monster ? :hmm:

Yes:
http://www.venganza.org/

Quote:

Open letter to Kansas school board

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.
Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.
It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.
Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.
I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.
You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.
http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.gif
In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.
Sincerely Yours,
Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.
P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.
http://www.venganza.org/him2.jpg

May the flying spagetti monster with you. Ramen!

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
stupid ppl

Skybird 09-14-07 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
stupid ppl

Not really. Bobby henderson is professor for physics and has launched this movement in protest against the demands of fundamentalists to teach creationism in schools as if creationism does have any scientific component to offer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster



And if you liked the video, here is more (23 all in all):

http://www.youtube.com/patcondell

Most are extremely well-done and straight to the point, only some are not as good as the others. You my like this one especially:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mWiqkGy-Y

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-14-07 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
stupid ppl

Not really. Bobby henderson is professor for physics and has launched this movement in protest against the demands of fundamentalists to teach creationism in schools as if creationism does have any scientific component to offer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster



And if you liked the video, here is more (23 all in all):

http://www.youtube.com/patcondell

Most are extremely well-done and straight to the point, only some are not as good as the others. You my like this one especially:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mWiqkGy-Y

seen some of them. he's bloody right. :yep:
subscribing to that person right away

Happy Times 09-14-07 04:41 PM

A classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B9Gl...elated&search=

:rotfl:

Skybird 09-14-07 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

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"I want my god!"
That's what it pretty much is about, right? From several years of experience in "training" people in meditation (o put it into any words) I can say that all too many people do not really wish to find any reality or truth - they just seek comfort from being confirmed in what they themselves imagine what truth and reality is. This is tragic. Especially members of theistic religions do not really wish to find out about god - instead they have a picture in their head, self-constructed, and only want to be confirmed in their belief that this self-constucted picture of their god is correct, so they must not change themselves, and take the effort to learn to ask questions. Often, their gods are distorted reflections of how they wish to see themselves. It is pointless to try to discuss with them. I eventually managed to help some people making alternative perceptions of reality that caused doubt and shook their beliefs, by setting an example which they copied, more or less, or not. Of 200-300 people that came over the years and joined the "course" (just to give it some name), only two ever broke through this barrier.

Needless to say that you can't reach very far with all those many beliefs and pictures in your head. The more things you carry in your rucksack, the more exhausting your travelling will be. Or like they use to say in Zen: if you don't empty your cup before filling in new tea, all you get is a wet table.

"I want my god!" :D God, I want her to regain her sanity. :lol:

We're laughing. But in reality - she is tragic.

Fish 09-14-07 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by Letum
A little ironic that that passage is from the most printed book in the world.

It's hear-say anyway, and between the fixing of the gospels in writing, and the life of Jesus lay more than 70 years, that is 2 generations. Someobdy called the gosepls "70 years of Chinese whispers" for that reason, but at least parts of the gospels make much more sense and reveal far greater reaosn than the rest of the bible. I would say that at least about the sermon on the mountain. If you cut away all the rest of the bible, I would say it is no loss, and if it would have been done earlier, and there would have been no Bible and no Quran from the beginning, than mankind probably would have been far better off in general. In the end, all I ask for is reason, and desist from missionizing and trying to make somebody else's decisions for him (no matter what your motive is). Your freedom to believe what you want ends where you start to limit the freedom of the other.

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Epistles from the Christian Scriptures (New Testament): http://www.religioustolerance.org/_t...o/topbul2d.gifLiberal theologians believe that some of these were written as late as 150 CE, up to 4 generations after Jesus' death, by authors who were not eye witnesses of his ministry. Those writers could have based their letters on traditional sayings attributed to Jesus which dated from an earlier era. An analysis by G.A. Wells showed to his satisfaction that the authors definitely believed in the existence of Jesus, but did not cite any evidence that he lived in the 1st century.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm

Happy Times 09-14-07 05:35 PM

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We're laughing. But in reality - she is tragic.
True, it hurt to look at her children, the youngest especially.:nope:

Chock 09-14-07 06:49 PM

If you really believe that some benevolent all powerful being in charge of creating and running the entire universe got in touch with you to point out that it was going to be windy, and then despite being benevolent, neglected to warn someone else - who was subsequently killed by that same wind - then I'd recommend you seek psychiatric help.

Just ask yourself which is the more likely explanation: schizophrenia, or the (supposed) creator of the universe getting in touch with you?

You're entitled to believe it of course, and I'm sure many 'religious' people will also swallow it. But frankly, the mere fact that a lot of people in the world believe that kind of thing doesn't make it any less preposterous, just more prevalent.

My personal belief is that it's no wonder the world is in trouble when people who believe this kind of thing are allowed to vote.

:D Chock


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