Here is where the Sunni's turned against Al Qaeda (25,000 of them) - http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...5-tribes_N.htm

Hmm - I didn't know they had a website for this:
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?op...380&Itemid=128

Wow! I didn't know Iraqis are standing up now!:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/0...eaders_070607/
And this should put to rest the number of foreign fighters - half of which as Saudi - http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/f...atimesA98.html

Scratch that - that doesn't tell us anything. Let me dig more.

I see this lists the majority in Al Qaieda in Iraq is Iraqi born, but that means up to 40%+ are not to me, but the word majority can be almost anything:
So the bombers are the foreigners.

-S

Hey, Avon Lady, cut that crap out. Sure, we've all noticed his weird slipups before, but now it's getting annoying, don't bring up his faults every turn you get. He has a valid point, you, and all the other right wingnuts (and SkyBird) have this weird ISLAM IS EVIL sentiment going on, and it's horrible. It's about as bad as having masterace1 as your email adress. I'm not even muslim and I'm offended with your, and everyone else's, stupid phobia against Islam.

That certainly seems to be the case, most foreigners going into Al-Qaeda in Iraq, and behind the worst bombings.

However, it still looks like barely 10% of the total number of insurgents in the country are foreign. It puts a different spin on "we've got to fight them ther or they'll come here". Who, the 90% Iraqis?

etc etc

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists...947246,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111602519.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...576666,00.html

All from late 2005. the latest i could find was From here

EDIT - found one from October 2006, still 1 in 10
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1003/p03s03-woiq.html

http://www.exlap.com/images/allah_ackbar.jpg

:hmm:

It's a trap!

(careful with these kind of posts....:))

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/excessive_quotation.png

Bah. I am not Islamophobic - I am stupidophobic. Inhumanophobic. Barbarophobic. Aggressophobic. Shariaphobic (as well as I am Inquisiphobic). If Islam would stay for itself and care noone else'e business, I would not care a second about it, like I also do not care if other people equip their appartement with the most terrible looking furniture I can imagine. But that is not what Islam is about. islam found me, in my home, in my country, in my culture. I did not ask for it, I did tell it to stay away, but it says it does not care. And now it tries to make me and others changing our ways of lives according to it's demands, turning our own laws and values against us in an effort to overcome 1.) our resistance, and then 2.) these laws and values themselves, giving us Islam instead. To hell with it.

You make the whole meaning of the word "phobic" meaningless. However, being called islamophobic today is more a compliment than an offense. This attribute seem to separate those who are aware of the attempt to kick our society back into the medieval, from those who beg for permission to keep their eyes closed and dream that it all does not happen for real. But it does.

You are offended, you say? Okay, be offended. You are free to feel offended, and you have the right to feel offended. But you have no right to demand that anyone must care for you feeling offended. So may you feel as little or as much offended as you prefer! Because that is not the criterion by which I decide either action or opinion.

Maybe you are realophobic?

Western modern culture is truly disgusting. I have no problem seeing what the muslims talk about.

Fat people driving humongos cars, earning and spending sick amounts of money. Sitting at home watching tv documentaries about how these arabs who do terror attacks because they "hate and envy their freedom". BS

Youve taken a **** on the wrong people this time, and they wont back down.

Islam, Nazism, Scientology - all the same sick spirit's offsprings. There is known collaboration between Muslims organisations, and Neonazi organisations in europe and germany, since both are after the destruction of Western constitutional order, and the destruction of humanistic history and liberal values. Hitler expressed to admire Muhammedanism for it's unscrupulousness and lacking hesitation to enforce it's will with force.

If somebody, indicating his extreme rightleaning basic attitude and antisemite racism in several postings and internet activities, expresses sympathy for Islam at the same time, and disgust for western cultural background, then I am not surprised and would say this is only consistent.

And revealing.

Interesting. Link?

Haha, I'll bet you'd ne the first to defend the attacks on Poland or the USSR (Stalin also made sure everyone had jobs) in a historical debate. Well bye bye to you soon I think.

P.S. I also was against the Iraq war, and in general this "War on Terror" I just am more coherent than you.

Years of news reports, TV documentation, covering in magazines and newspapers, police reports. You could also ask the BVS (Bundesverfassungsschutz), and some other according offices (who sometimes are shaky in their assessement and repeatedly have chnaged them by 180° over the years, currently it is en vogue to talk Islam acceptable again by saying the former links between Muslim and Nazi organizations are no longer valid). Probably it is to be found on the web, too. Mind if I do not take the time to find out?

But I have these.

http://www.faz.net/s/Rub47986C2FBFBD...~Scontent.html

http://www.ksta.de/html/artikel/1187344814141.shtml

Both articles stress that such alliances are rare, but time and again take place. We had seen it during the football WM ("the Iranians at least are a team of nationalistic players"), and it is indicated in the way Neonazi forums applaud the Iraqi resistance against the "cornflakes-soldiers" of the US. We have had meetings in Germany between representatives of organizations of both camps. we have seen local pacts and ceasefirings between violant groups and street crime parties.

Both Neonazism and islam are united in their hate on Israel, their hate on the Us and the values it stands for, and the attempt to destroy and opvercome the Western constitutional orders. Also both are unified in that they are icompatible with the values and laws the West stands for by it's historical origin and developement. And that is to have overcome the Inquisition, while Islam still insists on depending on Sharia, and Nazisms' obvious violent and hostile and racist face must not be commented, I think.

This does not mean that Nazis suddenly love subhumans and foreigners, and Muslims shake hand with atheist infidels. It's just another qact in the eternal play "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". At least locally, and sometimes.

I'm pissed by both.

While we're on the subject of Islam:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6972093.stm

Cue massive protests.

Oh the link is alive and well, I have friends who went to iraq. Dont you worry little one

Quatsch, I saw that cartoon some days ago, it was meaningless, and even not clever, or good painted:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5...ellhundmz7.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5...ndenlitfn1.jpg
(subtitle: "Has a dog Buddha-nature? Mu!")


I even could not smile at it, that boring it was. Everyone becoming hysteric about that and burning flags and yelling "Death to this and that" (in the name of the religion of peace, of course) is a psychotic dumba$$ who needs some more centuries to make it through puberty.

Meanwhile, here are some better things:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstor...20070828a.html

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014986.php

And finally, the great enlightenment:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6...locaustel4.jpg

Now - where is the public outcry? the muslim ambassadors being called in? The frantic street events featuring fireworks, hate chorusses and collective display of psychotic behavior? Where are the terror plots being planned against Mosques in retaliation, and the collective uproar for demanding defending against the aggression?

Looking at the cartoon now I agree, I can draw better than that! But even if it was a six year olds drawing the outcome will most likely be the same, you know how much the Middle East likes to over-react on such things, a little scribble brings cries of jihad and beheadings. Yet we turn the other cheek at the various "UK will burn with wrath of Allah" signs they love to wave around at their gatherings. I do ponder why, perhaps we don't want to stoop to their level? But more likely the fact that if one single anti-Islamic banner is waved, the police force will come down like a ton of bricks, because Islamaphobia is not allowed.... :hmm: :damn:

So what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...........:x

Maybe because we must not accept the hysteric temperament of a people with it's heads still sticking in the age of the inquisition as the criterion by which we decide what we do and what we do not do in our home, in our land, in our country, and in our culture. I mean, no Swedish man has asked a pakistani newspaper to print those cartoons. On the other hand, death-promising, highly racist and totally offending "cartoons" are published daily in the Muslim world that makes mockery of and ecourages intolerance against the West, Christianity, and especially Jews, and Israel, and even is broadcasted in daily special children programs on TV.

Do you have an idea how often I - as a German - was greeted and complimented in Muslims countries as a Nazi, a devout follower of Hitler (who is very much admired), and how often I was admired for the holocaust having happened (yep, the same holocaust the Iranians are denying), and that I should be proud of my ancestors for having killed so many jews? when doing my job, I had to bite my tongue and only turned icy, but when being private, I made clear in sharp words what i think of their unacceptable "compliments". Needless to say that I did not really win myself friends that way.

But for reasons of fairness i mujst say that althiugh such greetings were not rare, they also were not the rule. If needing to make a guess of how often it happened, I would say in 3 or 4 out of 10 contacts, also depending on where I was, of course.

Okay, enough islam-commenting by me for the time being. I'm bailing out here. Let's start again in 10 or 14 days :lol:

That seems to be about the right time frame for this discussion.

:up: now why are we worrying about the bulava missle?
Someday, the Russians will figure out the quality vs quantity idea...Someday:dead:

But in the defence of the Russians, good training and maintenance can help a lot.

Im considering of sending a tip to the SIS, Säpo and FBI.:p