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CCIP 06-12-07 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Linton
In WW2 some of the RN submarine commanders were in their early twenties.Thirty eight was considerd retirement age.

On that point, in the Kriegsmarine during early war the bottom limit was 25, but by late war it was taken out and the youngest U-boat commander was just 20. :huh:

Happy Times 06-12-07 08:14 PM

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It is almost impossible to give out a proper order based on incoplete and unverified information that is given at the moment...
LOL, this was a constant theme during our war games. You just have to evaluate the situation, make a plan, go through with it 100%. Then you see how it went and evaluate the situation again. :D Its funny how some people freeze. One Second Lieutenant that had top points couldnt cut it outside the classroom. We didnt see him in any of the refresher training we have had.

GakunGak 06-13-07 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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It is almost impossible to give out a proper order based on incoplete and unverified information that is given at the moment...
LOL, this was a constant theme during our war games. You just have to evaluate the situation, make a plan, go through with it 100%. Then you see how it went and evaluate the situation again. :D Its funny how some people freeze. One Second Lieutenant that had top points couldnt cut it outside the classroom. We didnt see him in any of the refresher training we have had.

Maybe because he was learning "by-the-book" and not improvised?:hmm:

Happy Times 06-13-07 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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It is almost impossible to give out a proper order based on incoplete and unverified information that is given at the moment...
LOL, this was a constant theme during our war games. You just have to evaluate the situation, make a plan, go through with it 100%. Then you see how it went and evaluate the situation again. :D Its funny how some people freeze. One Second Lieutenant that had top points couldnt cut it outside the classroom. We didnt see him in any of the refresher training we have had.

Maybe because he was learning "by-the-book" and not improvised?:hmm:

Thats true, he was suppose to be a team leader but usually the NCOs had to take over at some point. He was cautious in the wrong place and reckless in a nother.

AVGWarhawk 06-13-07 08:34 AM

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At the end of the day your the captain the navy has given you a $1 billion dollar toy to go play with

Exactly. What smash one and ask for another. I do not think so. It is a great responsiblity and they are put there because the powers that be believe he as a captain can handle the great responsibility.

I recommend the captain surrounds himself with damn good people!

bradclark1 06-13-07 09:35 AM

I think it's got a lot to do with attention to detail and situational awareness. If he can make a mistake that grounds his ship, what mistakes can he make when under combat stress. It's strictly the commanders responsibility by virtue of rank and position that his people are properly trained. If there is a screw-up it's on him.

August 06-13-07 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Linton
In WW2 some of the RN submarine commanders were in their early twenties.Thirty eight was considerd retirement age.

In WW2 Submarines were a lot smaller and less powerful than they are today. A 24 year old is not someone I would want with his finger on the trigger of enough nuclear weapons to wipe out half the earth.

GakunGak 06-13-07 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by Linton
In WW2 some of the RN submarine commanders were in their early twenties.Thirty eight was considerd retirement age.

In WW2 Submarines were a lot smaller and less powerful than they are today. A 24 year old is not someone I would want with his finger on the trigger of enough nuclear weapons to wipe out half the earth.

And not with some paranoid grandpa either.:lol:
I once read that the British sub commanders have this piece of paper that, if they lost any communication with the command or someone nukes UK and everyone is dead, they have a preset targets ready to drop their cargo at. Let's assume they have Italy for example, and Italy didn't do that, how they will prove that to the commander of a UK sub that they are shooting in the wrong place?:hmm:

GakunGak 06-13-07 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by Linton
In WW2 some of the RN submarine commanders were in their early twenties.Thirty eight was considerd retirement age.

In WW2 Submarines were a lot smaller and less powerful than they are today. A 24 year old is not someone I would want with his finger on the trigger of enough nuclear weapons to wipe out half the earth.

SSN's don't carry nuclear cargo 'cept reactor, right?:hmm:

Happy Times 06-13-07 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by Linton
In WW2 some of the RN submarine commanders were in their early twenties.Thirty eight was considerd retirement age.

In WW2 Submarines were a lot smaller and less powerful than they are today. A 24 year old is not someone I would want with his finger on the trigger of enough nuclear weapons to wipe out half the earth.

SSN's don't carry nuclear cargo 'cept reactor, right?:hmm:

Wouldnt bet on that.

GakunGak 06-13-07 11:16 AM

HOW COME???!!!!!!
SSN is a fast attack nuclear boat, like LA, and SSBN is the one carying nukes.
Right? Or left?

Jimbuna 06-13-07 11:22 AM

Some subs have the ability to launch cruise missiles.....they can carry nuclear payloads :yep:

GakunGak 06-13-07 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna
Some subs have the ability to launch cruise missiles.....they can carry nuclear payloads :yep:

You mean SSGN's?
And SSN's can be fitted with Tomahawks and Harpoons, MK48, mines, SEALS and UUV's. If I dig it right...:ping:

Happy Times 06-13-07 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
HOW COME???!!!!!!
SSN is a fast attack nuclear boat, like LA, and SSBN is the one carying nukes.
Right? Or left?

Well i thik it goes like that the SALT treaty prohibits the nukes in these subs but the Tomahawk could be armed with a warhead. Somebody here must know, this is Subsim.:D

GakunGak 06-13-07 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by GakunGak
HOW COME???!!!!!!
SSN is a fast attack nuclear boat, like LA, and SSBN is the one carying nukes.
Right? Or left?

Well i thik it goes like that the SALT treaty prohibits the nukes in these subs but the Tomahawk could be armed with a warhead. Somebody here must know, this is Subsim.:D

Interesting theory...:|\\

Happy Times 06-13-07 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by GakunGak
HOW COME???!!!!!!
SSN is a fast attack nuclear boat, like LA, and SSBN is the one carying nukes.
Right? Or left?

Well i thik it goes like that the SALT treaty prohibits the nukes in these subs but the Tomahawk could be armed with a warhead. Somebody here must know, this is Subsim.:D

Interesting theory...:|\\

Well actually the current treaty is START II.. And ofcourse no submariner will admit anything illegal here, but maybe in theory.:p

GakunGak 06-13-07 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by GakunGak
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by GakunGak
HOW COME???!!!!!!
SSN is a fast attack nuclear boat, like LA, and SSBN is the one carying nukes.
Right? Or left?

Well i thik it goes like that the SALT treaty prohibits the nukes in these subs but the Tomahawk could be armed with a warhead. Somebody here must know, this is Subsim.:D

Interesting theory...:|\\

Well actually the current treaty is START II.. And ofcourse no submariner will admit anything illegal here, but maybe in theory.:p

Start 2 is not on the force anymore, I think, as well as SALT2...:hmm:

Happy Times 06-13-07 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by GakunGak
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by GakunGak
HOW COME???!!!!!!
SSN is a fast attack nuclear boat, like LA, and SSBN is the one carying nukes.
Right? Or left?

Well i thik it goes like that the SALT treaty prohibits the nukes in these subs but the Tomahawk could be armed with a warhead. Somebody here must know, this is Subsim.:D

Interesting theory...:|\\

Well actually the current treaty is START II.. And ofcourse no submariner will admit anything illegal here, but maybe in theory.:p

Start 2 is not on the force anymore, I think, as well as SALT2...:hmm:

Who the hell knows.:lol: They are worth nothing when you know what hits the fan..

GakunGak 06-13-07 11:51 AM

Well, as far as I know, to launch a nuke, you have to have exact/aprox coordinates and authorisation from naval base and to be close to the target....:hmm:
What else is holding a nuke launch?
http://www.coldwar.org/bcmt/images/i...ompicbm-2k.jpg

Happy Times 06-13-07 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GakunGak
Well, as far as I know, to launch a nuke, you have to have exact/aprox coordinates and authorisation from naval base and to be close to the target....:hmm:
What else is holding a nuke launch?
http://www.coldwar.org/bcmt/images/i...ompicbm-2k.jpg

MAD


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