[quote=ASWnut101]I did. I just made a statement on his statement. That is, unless he didn't make the statement, which means that there is no statement, which means...:hmm:

...I'm crazy.:o

Never said that. I just said that (nearly like Subman's post) he's using it to improve his forces, breaking any treaties along the way.

Bingo.

This BMD System sounds like a pork barrel project to me.

i back russia 100%... america doin dumb things like their missile defences... now who the hell would put missile defences in europe when the threat is north Korea and Iran, which everyone knows thatthey dont have the technology to fire stuff that far:roll::roll:..

`Cause neither has the technology to do anything, yet.

Why put a huge amount of BMD equipment when you could just drop a penetrating GBU-28 on their "Launch Pad?" AEGIS DDGs and CGs are patrolling off Japan, and the new X-band radar installed south of Alaska gives us plenty of protection there.

Remember, the NK's couldn't even get thier Tapodong 30 seconds into flight. Their "nuclear test" was a failure (mostly; it did explode, but not with any truly damaging force, about 1/2 kiloton or less). Iran, to our knowledge, does not have nukes, either.

[quote=ASWnut101]My apologies, ASW. Guess I miss interpreted your post. Oh, and the part about statements makes me think my head's going to explode. :)

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Because US defence policy is NOT to counter the known threat. It is what's called "full spectrum dominance". This means, basically, US defense policy is to counter all /imaginable/ threats.

PD

"Putin using this for propaganda purposes" - yep, totally agreed. Any administration can take lessons on how to use anything for propaganda purposes from Putin. He is a consummate politicians and has gotten away with using far, far worse things for propaganda. Most propaganda for him has been internal.

I disagree with assessing him as a threat in some sort of Cold War sense. He's not a threat, not a partner, he's just a guy with a huge country and a heap of historical baggage. He and his people are much smarter than that. Russia has real power and strategic interests and has no less right to them than anyone else. As it stands, Russia is neither a democracy, nor a USSR, nor a Russian Empire, and they're certainly not threatening your countries or ways of life in ways that some, ahem, other elements today might be. I would rather the West recognized them and worked with them more pragmatically; frankly I don't think you'll be seeing Soviet tanks anywhere in Europe anytime soon, but European tanks might well be need to run on Russian-produced gas for the foreseeable future.

I think the West is in the causeless-revenge-mode (for what?) again. In that same mode, they blew the chance to help a real democracy get established in Russia; now it's too late. It's not too late not to antagonize the current state though and work with them on peaceful terms.

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"ESTIMATED ranges of POTENTIAL missiles from a POTENTIAL source with a margin of error of 2250km"

Could you be any more certain? :roll:

bring back the CCCP!

Too bad Iran doesnt even have those missiles ?


The best thing they have to my knowledge is the Shahab-3 which has a range of 2,000km

Possibly the Shahab 3D, with a range of 3000KM.

And they're not finished yet.

Even so, 2,000 km puts a good portion of Europe and Russia under Irans' guns.

I see the usual suspects making the usual comments without really understanding why.

CCIP is better.

Russian ICBMs are aging, their replacement is being planned since the arly 90s. You just don't sit down with an intention for a new missiles, and one year later you are done, so the US missle plan (surely a provocation, and an intent to strategically isolate Russia by a chain of tripwires) is used by the Russians to deflect incoming fire for replacing their old ICBMs with new ones.

But as a matter fo fact that mondernization was in the making since long, and started even before the US basis in Europe have been brought up again some years ago.

That's all there is in that story, and if you ask me - big deal. I assume that is what Xabba was meaning.

I back Russia 100% and I do not agree with US policy of "imaginable threats"...
What, they would start "war on terror" in Russia? Launch nukes? Although I consider a situation damn serious, I still designate this as a provocation from the US goverment. A bad move that is... I just wonderL what do they do to the aging missiles while new ones are built... God have mercy...

well, we all know that Bush is the only guy in history to use fear mongering to solidify the base...

I am not sure why this is a really big deal, SDI does not not, nor ever has had the capabliites to stop a large scale exchange, I'm also sorry, but the ABM treaty isn't exactly something sacred. The US needs to be able to stop the PRK from turning Pearl Harbor into a glowing mass, that is what the SDI is for.

Putin is kicking Bush at the end of his Presidency to win cool points with the Iranians I guess. It isn't like anything he says will make the folks in Warsaw trust the Sovi..... the Russian government. I wish SecState Rice would have patted Vladimer on the head and said 'oh, you get so cute when you are mad!'

Isn't Putin busy enough suppressing free speech in Russia to have time to call us imperialists? Is this throwback to his KGB "Western Imperialism 101" course he took at Karl Marx University?

I'm sorry, but that's just a plain stupid statement. If anything it'd be the other way; it'd be pretty pathetic for Russia to stoop to the level of wooing a good-for-nothing rogue state. They might get a few bucks selling stuff that the Iranians want but, I assure you, Russia could (and in my view, should) do without Iran.

I repeat: Putin is good at spin, but most of it is directed internally.

It would make more sense to destroy the missles themselves, then waste one penny on something that will never work.

How much of this is being researched in Murtha's district?:rotfl: