Oh well I'm getting tired of the arguing. Regardless of anything, SHIV should have been better just cause it was built on SHIII. Thank goodness for the good people who made SHIII and the new crop who have made some nice stuff for SHIV.


Back to the Black Sea for me, gotta fight those Reds. :arrgh!:

I'd like to think that we are all on the same team here at Subsim. I didn't realize such an "Us and Them" mindset had developed over here.

You're belittling the SH4 guys, yet your very post of "Let me pick on those guys" doesn't demonstrate behavior that's any better.

It's worth noting too, that Neal himself is one of those people you are accusing of not being 'grounded in reality'.

SH3 had just as many whiners until some patches came out.

We're all brothers at sea here at subsim. Let's not kick each other when we're down.

Well,after starting playing Silent Hunter III,all other games stopped existing for me.

Silent Hunter III is the game,that really blows my mind.It's especially charmfull,pleasant and intelligent.It's flawless.For sure.:D :up:

:yep: :up::up:

True :yep: :up: I wish everyone was thinking like that :yep:

I just could never get into SH4...just wasnt interested in starting over..American subs..not very pretty...plus..no Germans..lol. All these sims I like being a German for some reason:D . WW1, WW2 cause mainly they had all the coolest equipment, paint jobs, snappy uniforms....if it ever gets fixed might try it someday

Just transferred from SHIV. I haven't played a sub sim since 1986, so I was quite excited about trying SHIV when I stumbled into it by accident. Now i'm totally submerged as I was 20 years ago.

I've given up on SHIV due to a couple of crash dives to desktop just when I was in a perfect position to take on a carrier group, so I'll leave it on the shelf until it gets fixed and/or modded to completion. Yesterday I went and bought SHIII and promptly installed GWX. Oh what joy ... it's just amazing that the interface and gameplay is so much better than SHIV IMHO. GWX is the most amazing mod I have ever seen! even the 300+ page manual is an excellent product by itself - I took it to bed last night and didn't sleep before 5 AM ... what a sterling piece of work.

The need to micro-manage the crew is a bit annoying, but I can live with that since the AI is excellent and provides a real challenge. Now back to chasing those slippery zig-zagging convoys without a radar ...

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More time/£££$$$ could have been used improving the game in the original theatres regarding realism,immersion,gameplay etc....
Just my opinion :D[/quote]


If ya gonna read my post.....read it to the end :know:

I think SH3 vanilla is a great game (patches? ?........I've installed enough patches from Ubi to make a quilt :damn: ) BUT the mods (GWX,Captain America..etc :|\\ ) made SH3 BRILLIANT

UBI should have SH4 vanilla to (at least) the level we enjoy at
SH3......THANKS TO THE MODS :()1:

instead they AGAIN introduce a different theatre and tweak a couple of things, hoping to attract new blood to a great game, which will depend on MODS to make brilliant

maddysad

Silent Hunter III,never mind stock one or with Add-ons,either mods has got a potential for maybe,5 - 7 years future gaming.You know,I never look to the software shelves being in supermarket now.No interest in that at all.I have got the most intelligent,unpredictable and charmfull game ever.So,after finishing playing my Silent Hunter III with U-Boat Battle in the Mediterranean Add-On,I will go in for GWX,after that I will try other mods.:D

What are the main reasons of Silent Hunter III success?I think it is the plot or story behind the game.

It has already become a brand of popular culture.A trademark-lonely ship crosses the Atlantic during World War II.Total stress atmosphere.Nobody around.Only waves of endless ocean.And sudden huge explosion quakes the ship.And nobody knows where the death has come from.

It's Befelshaber Der Unterseeboote,Oberkommando der Kriegsmarine :D :up:

SH3 is gonna be on top a long, long time. Oh, eventually a sub sim will come along to knock it off its perch. That's normal evolution in gaming. But right now it's still the best and it will always have a special place in our hearts.

Now, back to that tramp steamer off Dogger Bank....

i didnt mean to imply that all SH4 players are "unreal" or whatever - just that IMHO the difference between the SH4 forums and the SH3 forums is like night and day.

Just seems to be a lot of complaining about the sim (though it IS plenty worthy of complaint) and "threats" to sue UBI and compile petitions against UBI to "force" them into releasing yet another patch for their steaming pile of a sub sim.

but in the SH3 forums there seems to be a lot of comradery, and friendly exchanges.

i guess i wasnt around for all of the complaining about SH3... but when you have been playing SH2 for so long SH3 vanilla was a brilliant masterpiece by comparison... SH4 just doesnt bring many new and exciting ideas to the table as far as im concerned other than giant undersea rocks and clear water... i dont know, myabe im hard to please... or maybe i just expected more of a leap to occur based on what ubi and the rest of us learned of subsims and what they were really capable of with the release of SH3.

maybe the difference is because sh3 is so complete in comparison to SH4... but all of the bickering only reinforces the argument i have presented since my first hours of playing SH4...

Ubi knew it was not finished, they knew it was bugged beyond belief, they knew they were letting us down and stealing our money and they went ahead and released it anyway, relying on modders to finish the job they started (i can only pray that the mod community will once again step in and clean up ubi's litter box)... it says a lot about their company if you ask me.

Now if they don't want to finish the job of fixing SHIV then the least they could do is give us the SDK so that we can do it, it would keep us happy (no more whinging) and wouldn't cost UBI a cent, especially since the SDK would be of no value to them now anyway!:yep:

every time i have a wet dream about a super model...


when i finish making a romance explosion on her chest...

... she hands me the SH3 and SH4 SDKs

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I believe it's a temporary thing.

The game is only a couple months from release, still has some issues to fix, and Subsim was just told "Hey, you may not get another patch if you don't prove you want and need it".

That's not only pretty harsh, but I think the reactions of the players is pretty "to be expected".

It will smooth out.

SH3 has two years of modding and tweaking behind it. SH4 has 60 or so days.

And some seriously impressive modding is going on right now with it, and we've just gotten started.

Respectfully, I think those that are not impressed with SH4 aren't really giving it a fair shake, or have spent enough time with it and the mods for it. I honestly have a hard time looking at SH3 after playing with SH4. But that's irrelevent, as it's just my one opinion. But I certainly wouldn't post over there "Hah, those suckers at the SH3 side are still looking at 2 year old outdated graphics. And they have no Tunable Radio stations!"

Yes, what is currently happening on the SH4 side is a bit disheartening. But it's even more disheartening to see yet another rift and divide develop at Subsim, similar to what we had between DW and SH3.

I just think we should support each other regardless of which sub sim version we prefer. After all, we're all still subsimmers together. And this really isn't 3 seperate websites.

Meh. Just thinking out loud.

Cheers.

I feel the same way where ctd is concerned playing SHIV. Btw, where did you go out and buy Silent Hunter III? I can’t find it in any of the stores that I’ve been in and I’ve been to several lately. I would rather buy SHIII, however, somewhere that I would know that Ubi Soft is not going to profit from my purchase since they are doing their customers the way that they are right now. Any ideas from anybody of an excellent source where I could get SHIII? Sound like an excellent game with the help of the mod community over the years. Many thanks for your advice!

Buy from the link at the top of this page and you will be supporting this forum :up:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/index.php

Unless they want to re-hash it again in SH-V.:rotfl:

Don't threaten me d@rk51d3!:rotfl:

Who knows, maybe they need the SDK for other kinds of games? A sailing game with SHIII/SHIV's engine? Scuba Diving game? ;)

1C does it, IL2's modified engine is used in atleast two other games I can think of; "Whirlwind Over Vietnam" and the new Close Combat + Combat Mission wargame "Theatre of War".

I picked it up in the second game store I visited at a bargain price of ~$15. However, I should of course have bought it here at Subsim to support the maintenance costs of this excellent forum - to compensate I have made a donation of approx. the difference to the initial purchase price.

I hope that someone in time will make something like GWX for SHIV - it would be excellent to have all the eye-candy together with the challenging AI ... and of course the U-boots. Until then SHIII with GWX will suit me just fine for months to come.

U-98 (Type VIIC) currently heading towards the hunting grounds at grid AM51 at cruising speed - wish me luck :arrgh!: