Jesus. Cheers to those on eternal patrol. 07

I 'found' this Sub Brief channel when Kapitan posted a critic of the french film "The Wolf's call", lot of interesting videos by him.

^ Then today i found this posted above, only recently released material on july 13th 2021(?), almost 60 years later. This is so .. bad.
Fair winds and following seas to the crew.

It's just click bait my friends ... :yep:

At the depth she sank she imploded the power was not available for sonar to ping.

Let her rest in peace :yep:

I actually had tears in my eyes.

I pray that the Lord bring closure and justice to the families of the men aboard the USS Thresher. They have the right to learn what exactly happened there.

And Mr. Quatro: if you watched the video it said that the boat hovered just above crush depth and below test depth. She still had power to give off pings.

^ That, and also almost tears.
I am not aggravated or anything that the Navy did not tell it back then, possible causes and explanations also being spoken of in the video.
Obviously it was not so. The material being discussed in the video by "Sub Brief" has only been declassified now in july 2021.
Thresher seems to have been hovering above crush depth for two days, with part of the crew being able to communicate, sending out those 37 pings before the battery probably failed, later banging on the hull. Trying to surface or at least hold the boat without a working reactor. Until the batteries were empty, cold, and lack of oxygen sealed its fate. It seems it was without propulsion, slowly circling deeper below crush depth until it imploded after more than 48 hours. This is an absolutely gruesome situation. And nothing could be done to save boat or crew. Not that much could be done today in such a situation.

And this is the point: There should be learned something of what happened, "letting something rest in peace" maybe ok for the diseased crew (though i doubt they would see things that way), but it is absolutely necessary to analyse what happened, to improve rescue actions in the future.

In case of the Thresher and a similar situation today, there still would be no chance to rescue, because such a scenario has never been thought of. I doubt they would be even able to get an exact position and guide a DSRV to a hovering boat, when you cannot even communicate without going to PD or surface.

DSRV vehicles somehow always manage to come too late for whatever reason, communication cut, intel security/secrecy reasons, or sheer distance and time to get to the position of rescue needed.
Which can be called negligence, active cover up or deception, which is too often convenient to divert from deficits, and evading and getting rid of witnesses.
When the DSRV manages to come near a docking may be impossible because the sub is not lying on even keel or rolled a bit to either side, the angle of the emergency escape hatch making the docking impossible.

And there is still not much that you can do with the current state of emergency rescue facilities. There are much too few DSRVs, if you need days to reach a submarine in trouble this is only a pretense of being able to help.
The emergency rescue "program" for military submarines is lacking so much that it is virtually inexistent. When your sub gets in trouble and you cannot fix it as a crew, you are toast. Then, and now.

That is simply not possible ... this is still click bait :yep:

The pings were from other ships and even one submarine near by ... submarines don't ping they certainly have the ability to go active, but they never do and when they do the transducer take so much energy that they would not I repeat they would not send just 37 pings.

Someone over at r/submarines explained Sea Brief (and his video) as follows:
Seriously though, a sound that fit that of an implosion was heard on the 10th. No such sounds were registered during the wider search even with so many vessels present.

If SOSUS picked up the implosion on the tenth a survival would be unlikely. Did they record an implosion at that date, and if. is it sure it was the T.?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...jKP52SuDoRqBaE

There remains some doubt, seems portions of the initial report had been altered by Rickover, but admittedly it is only about some seconds or minutes shifted in the events, no date or other major changes.

And reading this* i would doubt the new video of the T. having survived the tenth. The article below clearly states that propulsion, mbt vents and all kinds of machinery sounds had been heard from surface ships and SOSUS at exact times, until the collapse of the hull.
* https://www.usni.org/magazines/proce...-thresher-data

But what did the Seawolf hear then? Garbled Gertrude voices surely not from surface ships, but especially an active sonar which frequency fits to the Thresher's hull sonar but not to surface ships. Hull clanging noises after requesting. The Seawolf's hydrophones and active sonar were beneath the thermal layer, also its sonar echo stopping when running above the "object" dead in the water and appx a 150 feet deeper indicates there was something. Even the orientation of this object makes sense.

This seems to be the last published report, 600 pages pdf.
https://news.usni.org/2021/07/09/nav...uiry-documents

I'll let someone more knowledgeable than me answer that:

Trying to remember some of the WWII documentary where sub was a part of the series.

I remember one where the host said something with.

The were nothing else the crew could do than wait for the inevitable.

With this in mind I think the Crew on USS Thresher was aware of where they were heading and what would happen to them.

This is of course speculations.

Markus