The boats were in too shallow water for the Cornwall to come to them, check my post from the BBC.

Definitely. Don't start a war unless you absolutely have to
http://www.petersellersappreciations...elMandrake.jpg

I can't understand why though the government is allowing 15 men to be held hostage. I hope to god some dialogue has been opened.

From November 4, 1979, through January 20, 1981. The Islamic regime, held 63 diplomats and three additional U.S. citizens hostage inside the American diplomatic mission in Tehran, Iran.

This is what these people do.

And then what? Send in the SAS to release them? Cause more trouble in the relations with Iran?

I agree with you on this one. It will probably take some time. There will be some kind of deal under the table and the sailors will go home eventually. It's the unfortunate world of politics I'm affraid.

The British Government is not allowing anything. They are in no position to allow or not to allow stuff to happen. They just need to sit down with Iran and see how they can sort this thing out. There will be deals in the end, but angry talk and shows of force will not bring the solution closer in my opinion.

No, no, no, your timing is all out....

Should be July 4th, then you can have the victory celebration and Independence Day in one party.

These guys got it right.

http://www.bibleetnombres.online.fr/image2/inde4jul.jpg

Well, if one looks at the front page of that site ( http://www.rense.com/ ), one can't help but notice there's something special about it.

Not rense again, AL will make a sarcastic remark or a clever one. :roll:

Special in the way its front page has hands-down the funniest picture of Dick Cheney I've ever seen. He's really up to no good in that one. It must be the red tint.

http://jmgillis.com/cheney.jpg
"Why make trillions when we could make... billions?"

What could it do? It was 8 miles away at the time, the soldiers themselves were armed only with SA80s so fighting back would have been suicide.

There was helicopter top cover for the first part but it returned to cornwall to refuel.

Theres nothing cornwall could do from 8 miles away to assist. If it opens first then lots of people are dead on both sides.

So many inconsistencies in the MoDs account today anyway there maybe other reasons for not trying anything. How both iranian boats allegedly sneaked up and ambushed is an interesting claim given the radar coverage of the entire area by land and sea.

As the USA continues to provoke iran at every oppertunity hoping to get a reaction and therefore excuse to bomb it these incidents are just going to get more and more common.

Iran is defying the world with their drive for nuclear power while refusing oversight to ensure that Iran doesn't build nuclear weapons.

I'm intrigued how this became the fault of the U.S. Please explain.

Provocations? Ask anyone on the USSJohn C. Stennis

Given americas incredible hypocrisy on the nuclear issue it really has no right to dictate to others what they can and cant do. They cant mention things like geneva convention either. The laughable "nuclear ambiguity" clause with israel makes it even more of a farce. Another country "not allowed" nukes but is allowed to have 200+ warheads as long as it doesn't really admit it.

If actions and words had agreed with each other then fine but double standards are in force.

Iran has had its neighbour invaded by a hostile state which is now being used as a staging ground. Having been threatened and bullied now for years its backed into a corner.
As North Korea proved, the only language bush understands is conflict so the only way to make sure you wont be attacked is to get a nuclear weapon. Then he'll wander off and bomb somewhere else he cant spell or find on a map. Its bought new state of the art missiles off russia specifically designed to target UAVs - due mainly to the UAVs that have been and still are invading its airspace.

[quote=melnibonian]ANY attempt to use force or threats will simply back Iran further into the corner. The situation at the moment isnt serious. It'll be over in a few weeks at most, neither side is going to want to provoke the other into anything. If tensions aren't raised its a non issue, they'll be quietly released and that'll be the end of it. If threats are made Iran wont want to be seen as weak and give in so theres far less chance of a release.

Gnirts, after reading some of your posts in the last 5 minutes, I just have to ask out of my own curiosity....

Where, exactly, are you from?

The UK.

8 mile away? What's the range on those rubber inflatable boats? And were these small boats not searching an ocean going vessel? What's the draft of that vessel and how deep was the water this ship was located in? Can't the British ship sail in the same waters?

Were these small British Boats not attached to this larger British War Ship?

I wish that the news media would get more details about this story.

Bingo! You hit the nail on the damn head. No country respects, or even FEARS, a nation that shows SUCH a display of hypocrisy. "You can't have those. What do you mean "how come you can?" Because we're the godamm United States of America, that's why!"

Not only that, what you mentioned about Israel is TOO true. You can build all the warheads you want as long as you never admit you have them, apparently.

In my opinnion, everyone (or no-one at all works too should have nuclear weapons. MAD is the only deterrent there is.

Wah! Wah! Boo hoo! Mommy, Joey's got a nuke. I want one, too!! :oops:

Why No Nukes for Iran? The rules of the game.

Pathetic this has to be spelled out.

Given the fact that America is hardly a country known for it's support of terrorists......


Oh forget it.