Hitler? Leftwing?

:lol:

The unfortunate truth is that whatever a community beyond a certain scale and size tries to implement in the social field, must have a fundament in economical income. If that income is not generated, you're left in the social field with well-meaning intentions only - or the option to ever increase financial debts you make to bolster social ambitions that are more expensive than what you can afford.

This does not mean that there is only one way of economical strategy possible. Or that it cannot itself raise a problem independant from the social sector: when selfishness of the few overrules the interests of the community (which today is the case almost everywhere).

"Wem genug nicht reicht, der hat nie genug."

Whoa, where did you read this? Is something about the concept of National Socialist Workers Party confusing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

I'm sorry, but if you ain't talking the politics of Fredrick von Hayek, your economics ain't 'right' or 'conservative.'

There is very very little difference between Hitler and Stalin, except Hitler hated Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Communists and democrats, while Stalin hated everybody except, it seems, Hitler himself. So please, leave this misnomer to the World Civ. II classroom, where Marxist Professors like to tout it to wide-eyed freshmen.

I disagree. You do not have to be as extreme as Hayek to be economically right of center.
There are many differences between Hitler and Stalin. To say that there are not is to take a rediciously simplistic view of the two regimes.

Is anyone else sick of waste gate's way to naievely criticize anything with his lack of any idea of how things work, why they work, or how they could work? No, waste gate, all your arguments go back to "Poor people deserve to be poor, rich people deserve every penny."

Youre an economic genius, waste gate, an economic genius.

Well, things in this forum tend to repeat themselves, RM. Some more months and you'll get used to it. :lol:

AL and me attacking Islam, Iceman ripplebombing us with bible-quotes, Steed complaing about PC, Brad colliding with some conservatives, Subman and Happy Times complaining of everything getting worse, Bill Nichols strictly limiting himself to naval-related issues, Neal occasionally letting go a one-liner doomed to become a famous quote - and Waste Gate attacking liberals and lefties.

In other words: just the ordinary routine!

True socialism only works if Anne Frank was right when she opined that "people are basically good". Of course, she wasn't right. People are not innately good, in their natural state humans are violent, hateful, greedy, and jealous (Lord of the Flies illustrates this perfectly). Humans may have the capacity for compassion and empathy, but that is far from their natural state. Such values can only be externally imposed through years of upbringing not top mention centuries of sociteltal evolution, and dire enough circumstances can swiftly strip away this thin veneer away revealing the true, base nature of humanity (witness the reactions of populations en masse during severe natural disasters).

Capitalism can be cruel to those on the bottom, but it works because it appeals to humans' base instincts. CCIP's model of Socialism requires altrism by the society at large to work, which is not a natural human trait like greed, and thus why it will never triumph over capitalism.

In nature, the Weak fall before the Strong: That's simply a harsh reality, and the same applies to human society: We're nothing more than smart animals, and can be just as savage. Get over it.

Don't I get to be stereotyped to?

please? ;)

Wow! Really? Hitler wasn't all lunatic I see - he had some good views in there amongst some of the bad.

-S

Insert:
"Letum sometimes missing the harbour when trying to sail straight by steering left."
(but he has founded a great and famous fan club, so he is excused :D)

I can always tell when someone's argument has been defeated. The personal attack follows.

Haha...Tchocky read my mind....

That idea holds true a lot of the time, except when someone is tired of arguing the same points over and over. I do agree that most times though, the personal attacks are a sign of defeat.

-S

Socialism is not a political ideal, but a historical process.

Eventually, the human race will get to a point where we will deserve socialism.

As we have become less ignorant and superstitious over the last 3000 years, we have edged closer and closer to it.

600 years ago, the idea of democratic rule, captitalism, and a middle class, would have been the craziest ideas around.

Quit watching Star Trek and come into the real world for once! :D The point is, if I work hard, I want to be rewarded. Socialism does not reward that. We will never go that way in this country at least. We are influencing the Communists among us - just look at China! They are moving faster towards a Capitalist mentallity than any of us can imagine. I just watched a TV program on how the Communists and Socialists are slowly losing their grip on power. It is happening as we speak.

Well, that means you fail to take into account that I am a rediciously simplistic person! ;)

No you're not. You used a word with five syllables in it!

lol @ subnuts!

The difference between Hitler and Stalin is that one is a genius, the other's insane. They're Pinky, yes, Pinky and the Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain...

Narf!

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