The conservatism of mission designers understandably defending the SLMM status quo protects the SP game. However the bulk of MP games are sub v sub still from SC days and the emphasis on littoral water operations and the use of the SLMM is inappropriate in that game area.

The ability to 'anchor' the Captor at intermediate depths gives a whole range of tactical ASW possibilities not available with the SMM or ISMM. It would be IMO a great pity if this potential feature is put aside. It would be nice to hear from some MP players, because I guess, if you factor-out the weight of designers voting for the status quo the picture changes dramaticaly ! The 'anti' vote is motivated and biased. NIMBYs ? :lol:;)

I would be happy to have the sub launched Captor as an additional feature in the same way that ATC has been. Useage and acceptance of the latter has induced the decision to offer it as a standard, I believe.

Somehow I doubt that two subs that got entangled in a battle would try to mine the **** out of an area to try to get the other guy. MP already has enough issues with unrealistic scenarios and tactics. Taking DW in that direction would not be progress.

CAPTORs or not, mines are still strategic weapons. It makes more sense to be using them as part of a mission objective than to try to get immediate results.

Well... the fact that the mine when correctly implimented does not in fact have it's own propulsion system, unless I take a radically liberal view of what the ISLMM is, pretty much negates any tactical use a Mk60 would have for a submarine. :-?

It would appear the only moddable option for an SLMM conversion would be to merge what is known about the ISLMM into what is know about the Mk60 and create and CAPTOR-ASuW Capable Mine that can both fire a torpedo AND detonate like a conventional mine.

Best of both worlds... plausible engineering wise given 21st century technology if the Mk60 came about in the 1970's.

As a modder I want to go for it for the sake of doing it, because it would be really neat, and wouldn't give US submarines any capability they don't have now, other than a self-propelled CAPTOR.

On the other hand, it's a blatant poetic interpretation of the state of affairs... I can only get away with so many of those. :know:

So... what do you all think of that? (cringes)

Cheers,
David

PS No I'm not really serious, it would be a fun engineering challenge for me that all... :cool:

YGTBFKM

That's pretty much my assessment of my own idea. :rotfl:

I agree completely. Real subs do not run around with mines as part of their normal weapons loadout. The only time they load mines is when they are sent to lay a minefield in a specified location. Multiplayer gamers who use mines in a tactical engagement are taking advantage of the game design to employ unrealistic tactics.

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Ok, then this topic is pretty much done. :yep: :up:

SLMM == SLMM

Cheers,
David

:lol: So be it ! :yep:

Btw. any of you tried beating Kilo Demo with mines only ? :|\\