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Mooncatt 01-30-07 03:27 AM

well that has really helped me as i was attacking convoys from the side :oops: so thanx for this its really easy to understand and doesnt baffle us all with the techincal side of things:up:

danlisa 01-30-07 03:43 AM

Nice post Brag:up:

But did anyone mention that in the GWX manual there is a section on Surviving an ASW Attack. It's very good, try that too.

Mooncatt 01-30-07 03:52 AM

well yea i understand that too. only problem i have is that once the convoy is right on you and you make a 90 degree turn wont all the ships be too close to even lauch a fish without it just bouncing of the side??

danlisa 01-30-07 04:02 AM

True, but you should be targetting the column of merchants farthest away from you. That way you're luring the escorts away from you.

So, if you're approaching from the right hand side of the convoy target a ship on the far left and watch all the escorts start searching over there.;)

Woof1701 01-30-07 04:09 AM

Hi Brag,

Very nice read. Thanks a lot.
Now the only thing I need is a guide "To make a surface attack at night and get away for seasoned AOD players" :)

She-Wolf 01-30-07 05:44 AM

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useful advice here. Can we save a whole thread to desktop do you know anyone?

At the top of the page, there's an option for "thread tools" that you can click. Click there, and you should see a link to "show printable version." That's what you want. :know:

thank you Mookie, I have downloaded this and three others now I know about that:up:

Brag 01-30-07 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Woof1701
Hi Brag,

Very nice read. Thanks a lot.
Now the only thing I need is a guide "To make a surface attack at night and get away for seasoned AOD players" :)

In the game, I believe, a surface attack is suicide. The captain of the British destroyer who captured Priem wrote: when he inspected Priem's binoculars that he understood how the Germans were able to see much better because of the night vision quality of the Zeiss glasses. In comparison, the Brits were blind. This is not the case in SHIII or GWX. They will see you.:huh:

Brag 01-30-07 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mooncatt
well yea i understand that too. only problem i have is that once the convoy is right on you and you make a 90 degree turn wont all the ships be too close to even lauch a fish without it just bouncing of the side??

Moon,
Not only that, but you have to watch out for collision with the larger freighters, so be ready to lower your scope reall fast. I position my scope at 90 or 270 degrees the face the oncoming ships as the scope comes up.

Danlisa explains well where to aim.

Let me know how you do on your next convoy attack. ;)

Brag 01-30-07 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa
Nice post Brag:up:

But did anyone mention that in the GWX manual there is a section on Surviving an ASW Attack. It's very good, try that too.

Thanks for the kind words. I should have mentioned that my tactics are greatly influenced by the GWX manual. After reading it, I did two test patrols and 4 convoy attacks in 1942 conditions. Got zapped whenever I deviated from the concepts of caution stated on this post.
:/\\x:

ref 01-30-07 09:37 AM

This could also be usefull, I've been doing a lot of tests with DCs latelly trying to emulate the disturbance they produce when they explode, and using a lot the free cam (cheating the most I could) to survive multiple passes I found some interesting stuff:
- best way to dive fast is order crash dive and before reaching the crash dive depth order a lower depth, the planes remain at a higher angle than a normal dive.

- If you're about 90/100 meters doing 2 knots and a DD makes a DC run once it's passing over your sub, hit flank speed and order a 90º course with the dd, you clear the DCs for 10/15 meters, enough to avoid damage and gain depth, once you hear the first DC explode 2 knots again, you anounce your presence to the DD using their hydrophones, but the one making the attack couldn't hit you, two or three attack runs and you're near 180/200 meters then set a speed of 1 knot and try to sneak away. Once they get the hedgehogs it's another matter, as they fall much faster and you can't wait to hear the splashes, you've to order flank before the DD passes over you.

Ref

Brag 01-30-07 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ref
This could also be usefull, I've been doing a lot of tests with DCs latelly trying to emulate the disturbance they produce when they explode, and using a lot the free cam (cheating the most I could) to survive multiple passes I found some interesting stuff:
- best way to dive fast is order crash dive and before reaching the crash dive depth order a lower depth, the planes remain at a higher angle than a normal dive.

- If you're about 90/100 meters doing 2 knots and a DD makes a DC run once it's passing over your sub, hit flank speed and order a 90º course with the dd, you clear the DCs for 10/15 meters, enough to avoid damage and gain depth, once you hear the first DC explode 2 knots again, you anounce your presence to the DD using their hydrophones, but the one making the attack couldn't hit you, two or three attack runs and you're near 180/200 meters then set a speed of 1 knot and try to sneak away. Once they get the hedgehogs it's another matter, as they fall much faster and you can't wait to hear the splashes, you've to order flank before the DD passes over you.

Ref

Hola amigo!
Your experiences are pretty close to what I have seen. The only difference in our tactics is that I don't use full rudder as 1.) It slows my escape. 2.) It creates a noise knuckle. I use 5-10 degrees rudder, zig-zagging. This subtle change in heading seems to throw off the escorts and they tend to drop their DCs in a slightly wrong position (every little bit helps) :roll:.

How are the chiquitas this summer? :lol:

:help:

ref 01-30-07 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Brag
How are the chiquitas this summer? :lol:

:help:

Too busy with RL work to go to the beach :nope:
Anyway today weather is a bit cold and overcast and I have a good view from my office to one of the most comercial streets, a lot of tourists walking and shopping, a lot of babes :cool:

Ref


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