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Ole	01-12-07 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oesten

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Originally Posted by Ole

i got the same problem. i had no torpedos left, and a small merchant with an armed trawler were spotted (distance over 6500m). i decided to dive, stopped the engines and wanted to let them pass. the trawler found me, directly when distance was about 3000m. my engines were off, i switched to schleichfahrt before, so no torpedos were loading or repair was done.
he dropped what he had with him, i made my depth to 100m, i tried to avoid showing a big silhouette. he had no problems to find me again and again.
i mean, that was an armed trawler and its still 1940.
what can i do? i don´t want an easy gameplay, but it should be realistic, plz :cry:

Your engines were off, so the trawler couldn't have heard you. Fine.

But was your periscope up? If so, maybe he spotted it and came to investigate.

i dived after my crew spotted the trawler, the periscop was down. that was a bit strange, maybe they´re using "Bernard - the medium": "I can feel him, Sir. Go flank, left 20° and drop on my command...!" (huh, sounds like the soap-story from above :rotfl:)

dougandtoni

01-12-07 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

i fiddled with the gwx sensors... and am pleased with the results...

so i take it i put it on the web for people to take?

Yes I would be interested

Tachyon

01-12-07 04:21 PM

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for this 1039 -40 was called "happy times"

!?

:o

Ok, enough fooling around...I totally agree with you

andy_311

01-12-07 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kumando

I dont seem to find any problems with destroyers in GWX you people claim, im in 1939, i did my first patrol had many encounters with destroyers and only one managed to damage my aft torpedo tubes, i could evade all the others running silent, deep whean i had the chance and always changing course for not being predictable.I had no difficulties at all and im a newbie player, maybe as the years go by this will change.

Now try it with 9 Fletcher DD's in Late 44 as they come at you at 35knts.

Hartmann

01-12-07 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

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for this 1039 -40 was called "happy times"

!?

:o

Ok, enough fooling around...I totally agree with you

is 1939-1940 :lol: edited and corrected

Corsair

01-13-07 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by andy_311

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Originally Posted by Kumando

Now try it with 9 Fletcher DD's in Late 44 as they come at you at 35knts.

I'm usually dead before that time...:cry:

sergbuto

01-13-07 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hartmann

for this 1939 -40 was called "happy times"

Allies don´t use radars and they set depth charges not very deep.also asw tecnology was not very advanced, and planes availability very limited.

Yes, they would not call those times "happy" if U-boat captains had to dive to 200 meters and go for silent running every time they would detect a DD at 8000 meters, would it?

oRGy	01-13-07 10:34 AM

Seems to be the only thing that doesn't sound right about GWX to me; though since I don't play SH3 anymore, I can't confirm.

bigboywooly

01-13-07 10:57 AM

Doesnt affect me in that way
Was only spotted yesterday while 2km from a convoy as I was ahead full decks awash
Silent running 80m and they left
I harassed the convoy all throuh the night with no damage taken till I ran out of fish

Even crept up a lone merc at 700m decks awash in the evening at ahead slow
He didnt know I was there till I opened fire on him

Nov 1940

tmdgm

01-13-07 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Vikinger

Download a program called SH3 Mini Tweaker.

Whitin that program you can change the file AI sensor dat.

Ive tuned down a few values my self there coz i found it impossible to escape an elite crew on a DD. Its not easy to get rid of them but its possible now whit some tactical maneouvers.

Things i changed was hydrophone, sonar and visual.
I changed maxbearing to be little more narrow and that allow me to do tactical manevours. I also tuned down max range and increased min range a bit.
Now they dont spot me from 9km away and if they find me the minimum range simulate a "dead" zone so they aproximitly know where iam. Hard to pin point exact where iam like they where using a gps navigatior :)

I also tuned down Min height values for underwater. I noticed that even if i dived so deep so my sub was crusched the range for Min height was greater than the sub crusch depth. (this was in a VIIC)

I dunno if my values reflect realism but its possible to escape now by going deep(but not to deep so my sub is crusched and it also allow me to have some minor hulldamage as well) and do tactical maneouvers ( stay out from thier max bearing range)
And also that they can`t pinpoint me exactly where iam.

Thanks Viking. Do you have a guide on what to change, which files and what you changed things to? Haven't done this so let's assume I'm a dummy. ;)

Boy, didn't think this thread would cause such a fuss. But I would like to turn a few settings down. At least till I get better. Don't want it to be easy, but also don't want it to see a destroyer and die type of playing in 1939. Past 1942, I'm good with learning a few hard lessons.

Vikinger

01-13-07 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tmdgm

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Originally Posted by Vikinger

Yeah check this thread.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...737#post385737

And the file you should look for when you have installed the program etc is:
Ai_Sensor_dat.txt

joea	01-13-07 01:21 PM

Did you guys read Bigboywooly's post? You can get close to enemy ships in "untweaked" GWX.

Wulfmann

01-13-07 02:27 PM

Come on guys, don't pussy foot GWX.

Instead become better, more realistic Kaleuns.

Be men, not mice. Stop squeaking.:nope:

Keep a record of what you do on a couple patrols and some here will analyze and make suggestions.:yep:

Wie sagt mann das auf Deutsch “ Girly men”:rotfl:

Wulfmann

fredbass

01-13-07 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sergbuto

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Originally Posted by Hartmann

for this 1939 -40 was called "happy times"

Allies don´t use radars and they set depth charges not very deep.also asw tecnology was not very advanced, and planes availability very limited.

Yes, they would not call those times "happy" if U-boat captains had to dive to 200 meters and go for silent running every time they would detect a DD at 8000 meters, would it?

I'm in August of 40. It's still the happy times for me. I've never dived below 130m yet to avoid DD's with little to no damage almost every time. During my last convoy attack, there ended up being 6 warships looking for me and depth charging me. I couldn't go deeper than 90m and I slipped away rather easily. And I don't have to rig for silent running at 8000 meters either. It's more like half that, actually.

demowhc

01-13-07 03:10 PM

I had exactly the same problem in GWX 1939, a destroyer was around 7 - 8km away and i dived to max depth, ran in silent mode and made a few course changes and the destroyer had no problem finding me...

but then iv encountered other destroyers and and they have just gone by so i dunno, maybe there a couple uber destroyers floating around...

Vikinger

01-13-07 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by demowhc

I guess you encounterd the difference between Elite crews and poor crews on thos destroyers. :)

A DD whit Elite crew would never gived up so easily :)

demowhc

01-13-07 03:22 PM

ah i see, damn 1337 crews :ping:

bigboywooly

01-13-07 03:42 PM

IIRC there are no elite DD in 39\40

Have a read through the Bdu KTB and see how simple and easy it was

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB.htm

57 uboats available at war start and in the next 3 months 9 were sunk
24 sunk in 40

Happy times for some
Not for all

Plus if you read the KTB you can see how many boats came back early on with no sinkings and how many Belgium/Swedish and Greek ships were sunk even in 39
Neutral :rotfl:

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U 46 reported a convoy of 20 ships escorted by 12 destroyers, on a main course northeast. Boat was shadowing, lost contact for a while, regained it and shadowed until afternoon. Then English costal radio stations received reports of the torpedoing of 2 ships. At 2000 U 37 reported: convoy scattered, one ship sunk. She must therefore have reached the convoy. After the convoy had scattered, contact was lost. In order to regain it, U 37 ordered a reconnaissance line to be formed the following morning which is intended to pick up the convoy from the northeast. At 0029 U 48 sighted the enemy again. She reported: "A straggler sunk. A second straggler steering a northerly course in square 6789 BE. All torpedoes used." The boat shadowed this ship. At 0500 U 37 gave the order to act on U 48's report, thus canceling the order for a reconnaissance line. At first light U 48 again sighted the convoy, which had apparently reassembled meanwhile. At 0630 a second U-boat was reported in sight of a ship. Therefore at least one more boat had reached the enemy on U 48's shadower's report. Towards midday a/c appeared, contact was lost. U 37 ordered the boats which had been driven off to go to position "SCHWARZ".

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U 46 encountered a fresh convoy of 15 ships, but she was soon driven off by destroyers and lost contact.

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U 37 reports: 2 ships sunk today off Gibraltar, one Q ship hit. Depth charged for 9 hours. Fuel running out. Starting return passage.

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U 34 sank a steamer from a convoy off the west entrance to the Channel, torpedoed 3 others, but could not observe results owing to anti-S/M activity

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A radio message from U 45, intercepted by another boat on 14th October, has now reached B.d.U. It was not received here.
"B.d.U. from U 45: 3 large darkened steamers, 15 knots, sunk. Am chasing a 4th steamer 3366 to 3355 BRT."
This is the last news of this boat. At any rate the enemy paid dearly for her loss.

U45 - http://uboat.net/boats/u45.htm

All of those quotes above are from Oct 39
Happy times all round eh

Sixpack

01-13-07 04:18 PM

Same here (playing the major sub sims since 99).

Sound stealthy tactics, considerable wind and waves, etc. (so never mind that) and destroyer like 8000 m away finds me.

'Some ueber destroyers/corvettes out there' as someone mentioned sounds quite plausible to me ;)

Anyway, otherwise a great ride this GWX. My big thanks for it. And keep fine-tuning if you pleaz, mates.

PS I still need to read the GWX manual. Looks promising.

Vikinger

01-13-07 04:26 PM

Yeah darn thos krauts that sink neutral ships :D

Ive read about a few ships that was sunk, that was built in the shipyard in the town i live :)

Anyway. If i dont recall wrong there was an issue when the game was released whit elite crews on DD early in the war but i think it was modded away or patched.

Altough on my first mission i did whit gwx at the start of the war, i had a DD that behaved like an elite crew. I tryed for over 1 hour real time to shake him of me but it was impossible. It ended up that i dived to deep and my hull crusched.
It didint matter what maneouver i did or how fast or slow or shallow or deep i did go. he allways had track on me like he had placed a signal transmitter on my hull :)

After this incident ive never encounter any DD that was so impossible as this was. And now iam at the start of 1942.

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