Indeed, hopefully police presence will be quick and decisive. It was most likely timed to coincide with the France vs Germany match so they know restaurants and bars would be busy, this kind of thing is a classic terrorist target. There would have been a heavy police presence about though so hopefully they'll be able to step in quickly.
Unfortunately there will have been casualties, and likely fatalities. :nope:

The explosions are reported to have been grenades and at least two shootings have been reported. The grenades were detonated near the Stade de France where the France vs Germany match is taking place, as such no-one is now allowed to enter or leave the stadium. Hollande has been evacuated from the stadium. Reports of the French army being deployed.

EDIT: Gentleman talking to the BBC indicates that people told him that the attack at the restaurant was a drive-by.

Reports of a possible hostage situation at 'Le Bataclan' concert hall.

I'm read some books on political Irish history and it is a complicated minefield. Just got hold of a rare book by Calton Younger

A State Of Disunion. Four Studies. Griffiths, Collins. Craig, De Valera.

German media speaks of at least 18 fatalities, several shootings, explosions and a hostage situation in the Paris concert hall.:nope:

Complicated is a definite understatement. I recall doing GCSE studies on the 'Troubles' back as the Good Friday Accords were being worked out.


Around a hundred hostages reported. Reports of 35-40 fatalities in the attacks so far. The France vs Germany game has ended but the stadium is still closed so most of the fans are wandering around on the pitch trying to figure out what has happened.

EDIT: The Californian band 'Eagles of Death Metal' were playing at the concert venue and were an hour into their gig when the hostage situation began.

Way to early to point the finger at anyone until more information comes out, never the less another terrible event.

It's bad that the old thread is gone, ´cause in one of my post I wrote about ISIS and coordinated operations. I recall some replied my post and said that they couldn't do that.

Hearing on Danish News channel right now

This is a coordinated terror attack in a scale never seen before

I guess its time to see ISIS not as some toy terror group but a terror group with a skill almost equal a normal country

(I'm so sure its ISIS or some of its supporting groups who's behind this)

Markus

I dont think you need to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce that it was not a bunch of 'all purpose' terrorists which have attacked France. In fact I'll go right ahead and say that it is Islamic terrorists.

There is a report that one of the hostage takers said something about Syria, so draw your own conclusions from that, obviously though it's too early to be certain and no-one has claimed responsibility, but it's probably a local cell so Daesh central in Syria would have no idea about any such planned attack.

Meanwhile there have been more reports of shootings, this time at the Louvre and somewhere else. It's also indicated that the hostage takers have explosives. A Europe 1 journalist in the concert hall said:

I would ask American members of this forum to refrain at this point from derailing this topic into discussions of the Second Amendment.

President Hollande has just declared a State of Emergency across France and closed the French borders, French residents are being urged to stay indoors and people are being cleared off the streets by police and soldiers.

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/ne...ones_66429.jpg

^ I guess you're right Oberon its to early to point finger.

Its just the way the terror attack have been done I got the "feeling" its ISIS who's behind this.

In all I think we should wait for more information as they come.

Edit. Is it only Paris who is the target or can we expect more like that in the nearest future in other European Capitals ?

Markus

It'll be done in the name of Daesh, but it'll be a local cell that will be responsible. It's not like a regular army when the top General picks a target and his subordinates draw up an operation to attack it then distribute that to the forces below them to carry out. The mission of Daesh is to attack anything western at any opportunity, so local cells will take it upon themselves to conduct this mission in any way they are able to. Once upon a time it would have been car bombs and suicide bombers, but that seems to have gone down in favour of run and gun attacks with explosives not much bigger than grenades. I imagine that this is because such things are easier to obtain than the ingredients for larger explosives which are heavily monitored by police forces. I think the first major gun assaults were back in Mumbai in 2008 and that killed 166 and injured 600.
To be honest I'm surprised nothing like this has happened in London or Berlin yet, I suspect that sadly it's only a matter of time. :nope:

~60 killed by now... they start to execute the hostages.
I don't even know what to say, I am raging inside and there is nothing anyone can do about this. We are all doomed to watch this going down and that is exactly what these zealots want.

We're killing them back, we might not get the numbers daily in the news, but we're killing as many of them as they are of us, if not more. It's just more of a shock when they hit us back because we're not used to it.
Make no mistake though, this will encourage European nations to ramp up the attacks on Syria, Russia be damned.

My heart goes out to the people of France, such a sad thing to see. We in the west stand with you at a time like this.

^ "It'll be done in the name of Daesh, but it'll be a local cell that will be responsible"

This is nothing but pure speculation

What if this terror cell got its order form the headquarters in northern Syria, what if these terrorist was some of these refugees who came to France some year ago and they got the orders before they left ?

I know its many what if.

Markus

True, it is speculation and I'll refrain from undertaking more.

Reports have indicated that there has been at least one suicide bombing undertaken in the attacks, which surprises me. There must be quite a number of attackers involved in this, it's certainly not on the level of Hebdo, it's much much bigger.

EDIT: The concert hall has been stormed by French forces.

Come on, you know he is right in this.:/\\!!

looks like those no-go zones that dont exist are expanding into the tourist district.

What, that this thread should only be about Islamic terrorist attacks, because Muslims are the only terrorists in the entire world?

Sure.

How many terror attacks or trying to conduct a terror attack in percent have been done by Muslim and how many terror attacks a.s.o have been done by other political or religious groups in percent ?

Markus