Originally Posted by JU_88

Dont you guys get it?
Its not a toss up between Enemy subs or allied ones! Its about having AI subs in the game, or not at all - period.
If you have Sub AI in the game you can have both friendly and enemy subs very easily, since if the code is there is only means making a couple of extra models, not more than a weeks worth of work for a talented max artist.

If all AI routines are in place, it gives us many more possibilities to add addtional units via mods. hell, if they make AI code for subs but dont model any I boats, I'll make them myself.

Sh3's biggest problem was lack of and poor AI, Without any submarine or torpeedo AI it was even impossible to add wolfpack and allied subs via mods, (someone managed it but it was very limited)
IN SH3 There were NO other submarines in the ocean, aircraft were very limited in what type of attacks they conduct, (no rockets or torps) Torpeedo boats and bombers couldnt launch torpeedos either, are you saying you think its fine like that?

I know subs in ww2 weren't designed to hunt other subs, but that just makes it all the more interesting, In actual fact is they did engage each other in combat more often than most people realise.

I dont expect the devs to add EVERYTHING, but a naval sim should contain at the very least AI Ships, submarines and planes.... is that too much to ask? Ive said it many times and Ill say it again, If the devs for enigma rising tide and SH2 managed to code decent enough SUB AI why cant the SHIV dev team do it, these games are really old too! Why are we going backwards in time? :damn:
Sorry if im p1ssed off, I know SHIV isnt being made especially for ME :smug:
Its just that I (and some others) really want AI subs, something I felt ruined SH3 by not be present, so when some of you guys make posts like that (saying thats its no big deal), I get really annoyed as the devs read these boards - so you are basically sealing the fate of Sub AI for SHIV, which is already hanging by a thread. I think is a real shame - but of course you are entitled to your views....

I hope the 'other' features you deem as more important - really are worth the trade off - if the worst happens. :cry:

Originally Posted by DanCanovas

great so either the US subs will not attack merchant shipping or the japanese will attack their own merchant shipping.

Originally Posted by CB..

the problem is perhaps that whilst we are posing the thought that having different AI for different countrys and types of subs ..the actual porblem will be wether there is any AI routines AT ALL...would that we were discusing and complaining about the behaviour of the jap subs not being accurate...(imagining for a second the game has allready been released etc) would that the AI routines were that advanced! the real ball breaker here is that we are having a discussion about the inclusion of the sub AI full stop...at all...it would be a huge leap forward from here to be worrying about the AI in such detail that a discussion about jap sub tactics or even dare i say it jap destroyer tactics was even relevant or possible...when we perhaps are all resign to the fact that as with SH3 the enemy AI will behave like a sniffer dog at an airport security terminal any resemblance to a ww2 japanese convoy escort will be enitirely down the fact that it will look like a ww2 jap vessel not a small furry animal

Originally Posted by JordanC

So, if their are AI Jap subs, we will rarely see them, and if we do, nothing will happen. It would dive, we would dive, and a stupid little game of cat and mouse at 5kts would ensue. I know they were there, and they played a large role in the war against the US, but for game reasons, it's just a waste of the Dev's time. They should be adding US subs, for re-supply and stuff.