*raises hand*

It is not permitted:
- To make copies of the Multimedia Product,
- To operate the Multimedia Product commercially,
- To use it contrary to morality or the laws in force,
- To modify the Multimedia Product or create any derived work,
- To transmit the Multimedia Product via a telephone network or any other electronic means, except during multi-player games on authorised networks,
- To create or distribute unauthorised levels and/or scenarios,
- To decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble the Multimedia Product.

:x CUT THIS X1 CRAP!
We have enough topics about this crapload about X1

How many do we need when all result in the same bitch fight.

:shifty: Those who think the products of X1 is full of stolen mods
Answer: DONT BUY IT!

:shifty: those who wanna buy it
Note: Whats on that CD are the same things you can download RIGHT here for free. on Subsim provided by many mod maker that share their work with us and let us enjoy it.

My meaning is:

Whatever X1 does , I dont care I just ignore it and do not buy any of their products in my part they can stick their CD right up their @sses.

HunterICX Out.....

First, grant me the courtesy of calling me by my name, Joe and not an initial. Second, where have I attacked you? I just asked some questions and you answered them with this and your previous post. Not entirely to my satisfaction, as I would like to know if in fact there ever was a court case on this issue or the investigations you mention.

As for CFS vs. Il2, well you were on the CFS very good, and I NEVER claimed I knew why it was cancelled. You said it yourself the gaming community preferred it 10 to 1, and you graciously decided not to attack it because you were involved in something "superior" (never mind that Eirc Brown the famous British test pilot was very impressed with IL2/FB, critical too but thought it quite accurate, but your history knowledge is so broad I guess). Right, as if that is the same as what X1/CP are accused of doing. Sorry for the sarcasm, but I was always trying to be polite, asking pointed questions is not the same as attacking, if I had a mod would have said something, too bad you can't see the difference.

All well I can only laugh: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Here since you like these smilies have a few extra from me: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Seriously not worth my time anymore, I already have NOT bought SW or MED:u-boat so that is that. I will not keep quiet about games/sims I am unhappy with, or addon producers who produce substandard schlock either. :|\\

HERE HERE :rock:
I am in no defending X-1 never played it...never WILL, But these forums are supposed to be helping the SH3 comminity..these new guys coming on the forums see all these posts regarding SW:Bitm are going to turn around and not bother coming on the forums again and "WE" could loose some potential Modders. I also know that it can be turned around to say you are informing/ helping the comminity by telling everyone about SW and X-1..but please it has been going on for WAY to long...If people want to buy it who are we to stand in thier way, we have already informed them that most of the content is available through freeware..and when i do see posts regarding SW:Bitm from people who have bought it and are expirencing problems..i know it's not thier fault IF they hav'nt read any posts about it, but the ones who have read the posts and STILL gone out and bought it and are having problems..I sit here laughing.You read the posts, you still bought it..your fault.

Easy does it!
 

Tread lightly guys, I would hate UBI to stop SH4 or hard code future games, so we can't mod them anymore, that would really hurt!:cry:
I don't like the ethics of what X1 did by using other peoples creativity, but not much we can do about it, especially since UBI has given them permission to produce expansion packs, if we rock the boat too hard it will sink!:down:

You said it right and easy to understand.:up:

That is what I was saying but is actually much more concise and better put.:rotfl: :rotfl:

Joea, I was not trying to insult you by using an initial. When I respond I don’t look up to copy niks and only take note of an abbreviation. My nick has been spelled Wulfman, wolfmann wulffman wolfman, and many other different ways and I never thought it was intentional.

The thing to remember is when some guy bought this add on and finds our site how encouraging is it to him if we call him an idiot for buying it?
Do you really think people like being told they have poor judgment?
Tell someone that just bought a new car what a pile of crap it is and see if you made a friend.
How does it appear when we only degrade things we don’t agree with?
If you were planning a vacation would Baghdad be on your list? Why not, don’t you like being involved in bitter infighting?

These constant attacks do not improve or lift up our community or forum.
This has been addressed over and over and the bottom line is they did it because they legally can and those that don’t like it have said so and they simply don’t buy it.

For the record. I may have beta tested SW-Med and enjoyed doing so, but I play a version of Grey Wolves 1.1 with things from NYGM and I have extensively modified both those sets of files to suit my version of reality.
I do play the SW-Med out of Salamis but if the next GWX is what it claims I will likely be using that.

I should also state I never once sent Combat Planes any file I downloaded and was always on the look out for anything I suspected was someone else’s. I found two of Serg’s ships (The first two merchants) and asked they be removed and was thanked as they did not realize they were even in the game.. But, I do not do any work on ships (The modeling part) so would not have known about others and my request to Serg for clarification has gone unanswered so still don’t know what is what.

For the tired pilot thing many of those I worked with in CFS3 were retired (a few active) military pilots and frankly it was over my head as to the reasoning why they claimed CFS3 was much more realistic.
Oleg got every little bit out of his outdated engine while MS barely used any of their new engine’s potential. Please believe as you want, I do not care as that debate was lame then and only looks more so now.
We had a choice.
One that worked good out of the box and another that stunk but with hundreds of hours of intense work could be made to work better. Not hard to see why IL-2 was much preferred.

Wulfmann

I´m waiting the day when new release comes from X1;

Seawolves: Your Grandma´s Grey Wolves :nope:

Well, if the do that, they are really stupid. Nothing increases the lifespan of games like mods. How many have gotten interested in SH3 because of the two supermods?

Here's a clarifcation.

Mods which modify ingame files (say modified campaign file, or kitbashed ships, or a modified skin for a u-boat) are indeed Ubisoft's property and can be licensed to CombatPlanes without modders being able to do anything about it.

Original sounds, original text, completely new textures and new models (not kitbashed) are however copyright of the author and it would be illegal for CombatPlanes or anyone else to use them without permission.

Don't like it? Well, as I've increasingly come to realise, modding is a fools paradise. What you gain in convenience (game engine already set up and waiting) you lose in actual creative control and long-term commitment. It's increasingly my contention that if you want to contribute something positive in the simulation sphere, contribute to an open source project.

www.dangerdeep.net - u-boat simulation
www.flightgear.org - civilian flight simulator

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...952#post305952

A new twist requires a new thread.

Wulfmann

The whole idea of intellectual property goes against everything that our entire culture is based on. For thousands of years our greatest authors and poets have ripped off the greatest of the last generation and from that have come our greatest pieces of literature. The idea has been for centuries that the next generation is supposed to take from the last generation in order to improve on it and thus move society forward.

Now apparently if someone wants to do something they have to start from scratch. This idea of a person or even worse an abstract corporate cosnciousness owning all the rights to an idea which has real cultural significance means that we as free individuals are actually more and more forbidden from expressing ourselves. Games aren't exactly high culture and these mods aren't on the same level as War and Peace but the application is universal. An idea belongs to no one but the law says otherwise. Obviously the ideas of copyrights were designed to protect individuals from being cheated and that is of course a good idea. However it has been perverted by the Microsoft generation and now the individuals right to expression is actually under threat. Musicians have to sign over rights of their music to corporations just to get it recorded. And look at the recent case with the Davinci Code and The Holy Blood, The Holy Grail in court. Apparently now our history is supposed to belong to the author of a book discussing it.

I reject these assertiosn that Ubi owns mods because I reject the idea that they own coding. I'm an open source lover. I believe in sharing. Guess what I'm socialist too. So screw American law and what it says we can and caonnot do. The American legal system has been perverted consistently for decades anyway. Intellectual property doesn't favour small individuals or society at large. It favours large corporations beacause it favours those with wealth and lawers. The cost of maintaining a copyright is high and defending it in court is similar. The American constitution has been forgotten in the US and capitalist fervor has replaced liberty. The interests of the individual as was the original insight of the constitution is not reflected in many of the laws passed recently. look at the current attack on the internet brought forward in Congress. If that law were passed it would favour corporations and limit individuals from using the internet for themselves.

If we're not careful we'll prove Marx right and one day we'll wake up in a society in which the average man has been disenfranchised by his own society. That's where he says communism will arise. Now we don't want a commie loving US of A do we?

Disney is based entirely on ripping off the classics like Brothers Grimm. They even stole their centercastle from Neauschwanstein castle in Bavaria. They freely admit the laws they help enact to protect what they stole would prevent them from doing the same thing today.
However, UBI goes by French Law and international agreements so the US is bad HMMM-kay thing is not what applies here.

Wulfmann

hey everyone heres an idea FORGET ABOUT SW!!!

jeez if any legal action was possible the modders wud have taken it. cut the sw spamming ffs , wulfman keep explaining to pple the blaa blaa blaa u say about the ubi EULA , personally im gonna ignore these stupid threads, x1 stole it BIG DEAL ITS IN THE PAST ITS OVER , MOVE ON WITH LIFE , right now im not buying sh4 until i see ingame videos of it. and if these threads keep popping up who knows how i might get sh4

To be honest, I have not been following this thread so much. I know it's about stealing mods a.s.o and then selling them. A couple a day ago I ran over this:

http://www.megastore.se/template/nex...48&source=1700

It's a online-store selling game and other stuf

have been thinking of sending them a mail and explain what they are selling. But I have not enough knowledge about this subject.

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