Stealing!
 

What if some jerk took one of the excellent U-boat stories people has written here on subsim, and gathered them in a book, and then sold them and made å whole lot of money? Well, noone owns the language used, or the words, but the composition is the authors property. X1 is stealing, no doubt. :shifty:

Interesting post here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=t...774#3541065774

Was everyone listed on the credits paid? :hmm:

well said !

In a way about this X1 stealing stuff is clear to all of us.

They stole the mod and quickly edited some minor stuff just to make it slight different but the main part is from the stolen mod.

Now place yourself as an SH3 Mod maker, you spend with a team 6 months to gather plans and info what you are going to make, you spend hours a day coding like crazy just to make something even better then it was. You make it look better and play better.

After months of hard work ‘’It’s ready’’ but you and your team are so kind to publish the mod for everyone. You do not charge anything for it. Their only request is that you enjoy what you received from them.

Now some Company catches their eyes on it and sees it’s very popular among the SH3 gamers. They see money in it. They download the mod; they dig into the Data files with an Editor. They tried to hide the fact that they stole by editing small things like changing a 1 into a 2 in a data file. They publish it on a CD that you can order online

Now back to you as a moderator…you hear about this Expansion pack. And of course you are going to check it out. After a short time you notice similar things as in you own created mod. You are going to check out the data files and you see your own WORK in it but only with some minor changes….I’ll bet if I saw that I would explode! You bought your OWN created MOD stolen by an company that just f*cked you in the @ss

Now, just to compare. You spend months into the mod you created and they just took it from you edited some small thing that takes less time and they publish it and get money for it. And the best part they do not give any credits for the original Creator.

How would you feel if someone stole what you made and makes profit of it?
I’ll say someone just stuck an middle finger up your butt and turned it around an few times, because they do not give a sh!t because they earn money from it.

Just my 2 cents that I spend making this @Work:roll:

stolen mods.
 

@ HunterICX: excellent said! :D

Here here, Well said..:up:
Things like this questions the reason " why do we bother " then we realise SH3 is a damn fine game, the SH3 community ( for the most part ) is excellent and SS forums are a friendy place to be rather than ubi forums.

SW med was in my PC long before GreyWolves was released. You may choose to ignore that but I know it as fact and have email patches that the dates can easily prove.
I may even have the envelopes that the various CDs came in with dates but I doubt if facts would be considered relevant

Now, anyone that has Greywolves and has bought SW-Med knows very well there is almost nothing that is the same. They are as different as night and day.
SW was done and waiting before GW was released. Can you understand that simple fact?

The ships you are talking about of which I asked and am getting no response to my questions, there were a couple that were included that should not have been. One of Serg's CLs was being used as a place marker waiting for UBI approval to put in a ground up new model. UBI had not approved it by release time so that was left in until a patch could replace it with the new version.
Legally they have a right to do so.
There are but a few guys involved making SW and they really do not compare in numbers to the Greywolves team. That and with so many people of various talents the NYGM and GW teams are, IMO, the best modders.
But. SW has UBI permission. The others do not.
That may not be popular but it happens to be how it is.

Now, can I get some clarification on the Hermes please so I can try and surmize how making a Hermes from a modded C-Class rather than an original C-Class made any difference at all.
Since what really made it a ZG-3 was not even on the supposed "stolen" DD but was added to the SW one.
This makes no sense to me at all.

Wulfmann

He did not mention GW at all in that post..So you having SW on your machine before GW is irrelevant..

The reason they are different is because GW is constantly being upgraded And GW 1.1 was released after SW.. if the other way arround who know's if GW content would be in SW..

can't reply to this best left to serg

Can't speak for NYGM but from the GWX team thx for the compliment

unfortunate but true
What he is refering to is the FACT that they had taken without consent for the first X-1 mod, and now they seem to have done the same again.

I know UBI have the last say on things even UBI soft as stated it's not an offical add-on why? Because they are covering themselves..and in the current state of affairs who can blame them..

SW had permission for a payware mod. :shifty: Ths does not mean others can't mod this, serg has explained this. Plus there are possibly quite a few mods stolen that we have to test and clarify.

This is taken from the readme of serg's new PT boats.
THIS MOD CAN'T BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES OF ANY KIND.
I think that is quite a straight forward sentance that even the people at X1 can understand and read.
I for one and discusted that people can get away with stealing other peoples hard work. I know what some say "that well its freeware and not made with ubi permission and only X1 have there permission to mod the game. so they can use what ever they like" That to me just makes ubi just as gulity as X1 when it comes to stealing modders hard work cause they must know what X1 are going to put in there addon. And at the very least they should ask if they may use a mod buy contacting the modder and asking his permission. But alas this not the way the world works which in my view is very sad.
The fact that they have done this twice now just stinks.:nope: :nope:
I just hope that this business does not put off the great modders of this game from making future mods of this game.

I agree mate...hopefully X-1 and combatplanes will get the message and perhaps make a " propper Add-on " with out using other *cough* borrowed content...right now GWX and NYGM are the better options IMO :up:

BTW mr chris love the sig :rock:

Not much anyone can do about it unfortunately, we know they have no ethics when it come to MONEY! I do wonder if UBI is getting some sort of kick-back from the SW Mod?:-?
One thing that worries me though is the fact that SH3 is very moddable & done this way for our benefit, & would not like to see future versions totally hard coded, now that would suck!:x So I think we should be very carefull not to upset UBI or the devs too much!:oops: although I still think X1's ethics stink!:roll:
Cheers.

From Mr Pants post:
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Originally Posted by Wulfmann
Now, can I get some clarification on the Hermes please so I can try and surmize how making a Hermes from a modded C-Class rather than an original C-Class made any difference at all.
Since what really made it a ZG-3 was not even on the supposed "stolen" DD but was added to the SW one.
This makes no sense to me at all.

Wulfmann

Pants replied! What he is referring to is the FACT that they had taken without consent for the first X-1 mod, and now they seem to have done the same again.

He mentioned specific things like the Hermes and I replied and asked to have this addressed but have heard nothing. I would like to find out how this happened if it is correct.



Mr Chris, what you saying is Serg states:
“This Ubisoft copyrighted material I have no authorization to modify can not be used by Ubisoft or any authorized agent of Ubisoft”
That is the legality of what you say. Even making an original skin has been made to utilize the layout of Ubisoft material.
About the only thing I think can be argued are complete ground up ships like HMS Hood, Roma and Graf Zeppelin. Ships converted from any Ubisoft ship is the property of UBI and is useable by UBI any authorized agent.
We are not talking about fairness or morality here. We are talking about what is lawful business practice.
You make your opinions heard at the cash register (That would be click to buy now) but one fact that this community is in denial over is the fact the non mod community is far bigger than ours, does not hear us, know us or cares what we do or think and will not be influenced by our whining.
Who does hear us is Ubisoft, the SH3 dev that may decide to hard code thing for tiring of hearing us cry.
That happened to CFS3. We cried so load about the horrible sim that was wide open in many ways and when all new (By freeware mods) everything was made is far superior to anything else. But, those that are willing to do that much work are a tiny segment of the CFS world and IL-2 was more successful as it may have been inferior (To the modded CFS3 it was much better than the original CFS3) but it was much easier to plug and play and not require an editing degree.
We have to realize one simple point the I hate X-1 and I am willing to destroy sub sims forever to get my way, crowd: There is a difference to “Being right” and “Having the right”. Being right could cost us future open capacity (I do not know this to be true) and diminish what we enjoy because we want to attack those that utilize mods that actually they have every (“Legal, not moral”) right to use.

We can hurt ourselves more than help if we make too much out of something we can do nothing about

Wulfmann

Well, I will never buy any X1 software, however good it is, since I belive in the power of example.

It would have been so, so easy for X1 to credit the modders in some way, and even pay them a small fee. It is obviously important for them to "lend" material - or they would make it themselves - and in the end everyone at subsim and UBI-forums would by it, escpecially since parts of it came from our own ranks.

Totaly agree with that stabiz:up: