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SubSerpent

08-21-06 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

I dont know the exact answer but could you even believe that a soviet submarine or warship fired on the US Submarine Scorpion and dont forget the scorpion is fully equiped to sink any vessel that threatens it, not to mention the possibility that she might be carrying nuclear weapons also.

this is the thing that stoped each side from opening the outer doors id hesitate to think a soviet commander fired at scorpion, simply because of the repocussions it would cause.

I think she was rammed not fired upon by a torpedo. That or I think she had a bomb placed on her hull or even within her hull just a few days prior in Rota, Spain.
If Russia knew the Scorpion was heading to that port (via intercepted) radio comms, then they could have sent a spy there with a bomb. Who Knows?

UglyMowgli

08-21-06 07:43 AM

with all problem that the submarine suffer, a russian torpedo wasn't nedded to sink it:
- highest oil consumption in the USN
- freon leak
- vibration @ 24 knots
- radio antenna problems
- electronics failure
- hot run
- ......

adding fatigue from the transit and all the fix & reparis, bad morale, torpedo group not a the top

Shake all of this facts and you may have a catastroph.

Kapitan

08-21-06 07:45 AM

I could agree to the ramming theory, but we must take into consideration sabotage by the crew, as they had spent over 100 days at sea, and letters indicated that they were not happy people.

Failing that they did say also scorpion was suffering mechanical faults maybe it was a fault like the thresher again who knows.

UglyMowgli

08-21-06 07:45 AM

for the magnetic bomb on the hull, there is scan by diuvers in every stop of subs generally and since the Scorpion had a problem of vibration diving to inspect the hull occured more often that other sub in the fleet.

Oberon

08-21-06 10:07 AM

We had a huge conversation and pretty detailed investigation about this on the old Sub Command forums a looooong time ago, one guy even said he was going to write a book about it.
I forget what our conclusions were...if anyone fancies braving the search function in the archives then it should be in there. :D

Type941

08-21-06 11:04 AM

Something else: i.e. human error. I dont believe it was the russians. They are not stupid to start a war, that was never their doctrine anyway, contrary to the american hollywood movies. Probably someone just screwed up, either on design level or during the patrol. But anyone will believe in whatever they want. The US military is very secretive anyway, so you will never know what really happened. but I will try to catch and read that book though.

tycho102

08-21-06 12:47 PM

Comrade Lenin sunk the Scorpion.

However, I read a couple decent articles that pointed toward the torpedo fuel breeching the actual submarine hull. One discussed a fuel explosion/fire, and yet another discussed some kind of inter-tube malfunction that resulted in some serious flooding that couldn't be controlled (i.e. warhead explosion).

Skybird

08-21-06 04:38 PM

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/045...393641?ie=UTF8

Mutual nuclear kill, says that novel, that obviously draws some parallels to the Scorpion-affair.

SubSerpent

08-21-06 05:02 PM

Maybe it was Bernard? He seems to screw up everyones U-boat in SHIII? How did he manage to survive the war? :hmm:

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