I love this. The whole "war will show those Islamics whats what". I mean how naiive are you guys? War begets war. I'm sure that all the Lords in England at one point around 1914 or 1915 were sitting together sipping brandy saying "Those damned Teutons don't understand anything except strength. What will create eternal peace is pushing them back into their own nation, decimating it and then humiliating them. Yes certainly that will end this whole European war thingy."

Occupation and collateral civilian casualties has never made anyone fall in line. Look at Ireland. Did Bloody Sunday make the Irish calm down? No! It made them more angry and gave the IRA more recruits. This is personal to the Lebanese and the Palestinians. Their families are dying and their cities are being decimated. They are being told by the Israelis that diplomacy isn't an option. So what can they do? They do what most young people being attacked do. They join a militant group.

Now I know we could go on forever talking about who started what. Whether Israel has the right to be occupying Gaza or Lebanon. The fact is that from a strategic standpoint an all out invasion is a stupid thing to do. It only bolsters hatred. It cancels the peace process. Shedding blood only coulds things and makes it impossible to be reasonable.

Now that said Israel is out of control. Invasion? As I recall this incident started with the capture of one Israeli soldier. How does that lead to full scale war? This is a ridiculous over-reaction. The US vetoed the UN resolution because they always support Israel. Plus the US isn't in a position to be running interference in that corner of the Middle-East because it's drowning in Iraq.

The US is crazy just like Israel is crazy. War doesn't end hate. War doesn't create peace. How can the inverse of peace create peace? This skirmish is just an extention of all the emotion and hate and history between Israel, Palestine, and Lebanon and everyone else that's been festering since the end of the Second World War. And this won't end anything. It will make things less secure. Diplomacy creates security. War creates insecurity. Yeah okay. Occupy southern Lebanon and Gaza and you might stop missiles from being fired into Israeli cities. That just ends the use of missiles. That won't get rid of the people shooting the weapons, it won't get rid of the Palestinians or the Lebanese. It won't make fathers forget that their families were killed by Israeli Helicopter strikes. It won't make young people not feel violated and angry. All it will do is stretch Israel thinner accross the region, breed more hate, and give terrorists (on both sides) more power and cause the deaths of more innocent people.

I would ask the same of you.
When you win wars, you beget peace.
And before WWII the Brits were saying "war begets war."
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Does anyone teach you children history anymore?

Incidentally, there wasn't a single Israeli in either Gaza or Lebanon until last week. But keep on reading the funnies.

Oh and occupation by a Syrian puppet regime and Iranian backed terrorist groups isn't occupation? I see.................... :hmm:
Here's some simple diplomacy. Hand back 3 soldiers in good shape and watch us return home. Plenty of diplomatic opportunity right there!
They can stop attacking. They can declare that their goal in life is not the annihilation of the Jewish state of Israel. But with a limited imagination and bumbling excuses like yours, no wonder they're not getting anywhere.
Read last week's news.
Read last week's news.
What has history shown us when trying to appease an enemy dedicated on your destruction? Once again, just the opposite.
There is none.
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No. Lebanon is. Has been for decades. The Lebanese Army has zero control of the country.
It is an act of war. Like duh!
No. It is the right thing for any svereign country to do when being attacked by Islamic terrorists, acting as a proxy for thug states Syria and Iran.
Nothing wrong with that.

Maybe they don't support the Dhimmi EU nor the OIC block in the United Nincompoops.
Anyone in America need a Lifesaver?!
I find the world crazy, with opinions like your contributing to the world's problems.
That's not necessarily the goal of war.
As shown, it certainly can.
Because warring can end a war. So much sematic rhetoric!
Then talk to you Palis and Shi'ite Lebanese. We had little to do with them a few days ago. Try barking up the right tree.
Once again, we have seen that this is very much not so.
Here's a new term for you: "conditions of surrender." Actually and unfortuanetly, it seems a new term for Israel because Israel does not make itself clear enough in its demands. Lousy PR!
Boo hoo. The boor Balestinians and the boor Hizbalah lovers of peace. Boo hoo.
So let's get rid of Israel.

Problem solved! :yep:

BTW, Funk, love your sig. Here's something that agrees with it:

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.

Attributed to General George S. Patton.

Suggested reading: Moment of Truth.

Chose your side. It's who you are.

so where do you start when they capture 1 man 10 men 100 men in isreal 1 man is worth fighting and dying for they are completely out numbered if your going to critise isreal first put yourselve in thier position its easy to sit in your comfotable house in a safe danger free county and have a go at a nation thats been under siege for decades think before you speak or dont bother speaking at all

Gee Micky1up, use punctuation!!! it's impossible to get something if you write 3 sentences without a point.

Giving in to islamist demands only strengthen them. Next time they come with even more demands. The only language they understand is the language of force due to the nature of their religion and mentality. Israel successfully proved that a number of times since the beginning of its state history.

I think the present situation is a direct result of giving in by Israel to muslim world demands in various aspects under push by US administration over the last years.

The horrific aspect of all this is that although in the middle east violence is no solution that leads to peace (the one side will fight for its sheer survival, the other for ideological reasons that it gets pushed by beyond any reason, Islam) - there is no alternative to fighting. Although it could not lead anywhere good, there will be fighting as long as Israerl exists. A battle without meaning, in a way. I never understood what crazy thoughts were on person's mind when they founded the state of Israel in the way and in the place they did. It's a strategically undefendable position in the long term. Long term could mean: a century, or more. The last battle for Jerusalem lasted around 200 years.In a different way it reminds me of Dino Buzattis fabulous novel "The Tatarian Desert". There is the talk of a heroism and soldier's ideals that gets tired out without an enemy and without combat, battles and fights during the protagonist's lifetime. In Israel you have a situation of heroism that get's tired out by a hopeless fight - for you know that it will never end, no matter what you do.

The thing that strikes me the most is that Israelian government accused Syria and Iran of supporting hezbollah and hamas attacks. Yet they invade Lebanon and Gaza instead of going after Damascus and Teheran. If you think Damascus is the cause of your problems, why in hell do you bomb Beirut?

Indeed. However, those employed by Syria and Iran and given a free reign to do as they please by the puppet regime in Lebanon are Hizballah and they are the ones who commited the attacks and are based throughout Lebanon.

You're right. In my opinion, Israel should be simulatenously bombing every Syrian government and military target to bits. Unfortunately, we've been spooked by our own shadows in recent decades.

And so? You go after the hand of your percieved enemy instead of striking his head? I mean, how many times has Israel bombed places in Lebanon because of Hezbollah attacks (without counting the two invasions in 78 and 82, for the same reasons I suppose)? And what have you accomplished?

Cutting off your enemies hands is not such a bad thing, you know. Think of Monty Python's Black Knight. ;)

You can bomb Syria to kingdom come but the weapons, logistal structures and the terrorists themselves are right now sitting in Lebanon. I don't think this is too difficult for anyone to comprehend.
Actually, a lot was accomplished by the 82 invasion but not enough was done afterward to continue deterring Hizballah.

Anyway, if you're gonna route for the underdog, here's what they say. And I fail to understand the Christian world's standing by for decades while their own people have been slaughtered and put through daily living hell by the Islamic cancer that Lebanon seems to have succumbed to. The Bible's cynical verse "Am I my brother's keeper?" rings out against a large part of the world who let their own brothers and sisters endured what they have until now. The Mark of Cain.

I understand it. It wasn't our decision to institute a nation in the middle east, surrounded by arabs. Why is it our duty to run to the rescue?

Mark of Cain, that's pretty good. ;)

You are misinformed, and you were never "dragged into it". The US became a willing participant in the conflict (which began long before the Six Day war by the way) beginning with Truman, and continuing to this day with its annual $5 billion/year Israeli subsidy and preferrential arms sales (note that this is merely stating a fact, and not an opinion on the "rightness" or "wrongness" of it).

But back to Truman:

"Secondly, [the holocaust] evoked a world-wide feeling of sympathy with the Jewish people, mingled with guilt that more had not been done to deter Hitler's aggressions before the war, or to help Jews escape from Europe during its course. This was particularly the case in the United States, whose federal government had halted Jewish immigration during the war. Among those who became strong supporters of the Zionist ideal was President Harry S. Truman, who overrode considerable opposition in his State Department and used the great power of his position to mobilise support at the United Nations for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, although he expressed very negative views of Jews in his diaries, and had, in a letter written years before he entered the White House, referred to New York City as "kike town".[10][11] Since Britain was desperate to withdraw from Palestine, Truman's efforts were the crucial factor in the creation of Israel."

That's an exerpt from a very intersting article about the long history of the political movement to create a Jewish homeland ("Zionism") in what is now modern Israel. Its a good read, with a lot of links to other Wiki entries that detail other related events during Isreal's evolution from idea to established fact.

Recommended reading for anyone with an interest in this conflict and its roots (at least as a starting point; it is not the definitive account of the entire history surrounding this):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism