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bradclark1 07-06-06 05:25 PM

I also read somewhere that when someone on a plane flushes the commode someone on the ground might be hit by flying s#!t.
You have to think about these possibilities when you leave home. :huh:
Thats why I hardly ever leave home. I don't want to be hit by flying
s#it. If some fell from 13,000 feet it would be frozen enough to go through your head and out your butt. :know:

scandium 07-06-06 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
No offense, but if you understand the difference between left and right and liberal and conservative, this issue is a left wing whacko (Not left wing normal) type approach.

None taken, and I do understand the differences between these political orientations.

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A right wing whacko however is much different and also a whacko just as much as the guys on the very far left. Middle ground is the most sane ground of all. Left wing whackos are very anti weapon and this falls in that line of reasoning.
Again, fair enough and I don't disagree.

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I have no agenda against left wing whackos that are any worse than any agenda against right wing whackos. All whackos are whackos - period. Are we clear?
As daylight.

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The reason I bring this up is the author of the new scientist article must then be a left wing whacko to try and bring up a discussion about a statistical impossibility. That is the biggest buch of BS I have ever heard. Lets freak out the public about something that might happen every 800 million years if transportation systems advance no further than they do today. As transportation systems advance - say 50 years from now, this statistic will go to 1 in 10 billion years or higher!

Just trying to put things into perspective - and yes, many of the world problems are irrationally based and brought on by some whacko! :p
Sometimes. Sometimes the World's problems are created by those who are too rational and whose very rationality either prevent them from recognizing the problem (Chamberlain with the threat posed by Hitler) or from being creative enough to think outside the box in finding a solution (the succession of well-meaning politicians who've unsuccessfully tried to find a solution on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict) - but perhaps this is neither here nor there. ;)

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PS. You aren't some whacko are you? I might have to get ugly on you is you are! :p
No worries there, though my personal politics are left-oriented they are not that extreme and I am quite rational (though were I completely insane I would probably not myself know it). :up:

SUBMAN1 07-06-06 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
No offense, but if you understand the difference between left and right and liberal and conservative, this issue is a left wing whacko (Not left wing normal) type approach.

None taken, and I do understand the differences between these political orientations.

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A right wing whacko however is much different and also a whacko just as much as the guys on the very far left. Middle ground is the most sane ground of all. Left wing whackos are very anti weapon and this falls in that line of reasoning.
Again, fair enough and I don't disagree.

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I have no agenda against left wing whackos that are any worse than any agenda against right wing whackos. All whackos are whackos - period. Are we clear?
As daylight.

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The reason I bring this up is the author of the new scientist article must then be a left wing whacko to try and bring up a discussion about a statistical impossibility. That is the biggest buch of BS I have ever heard. Lets freak out the public about something that might happen every 800 million years if transportation systems advance no further than they do today. As transportation systems advance - say 50 years from now, this statistic will go to 1 in 10 billion years or higher!

Just trying to put things into perspective - and yes, many of the world problems are irrationally based and brought on by some whacko! :p
Sometimes. Sometimes the World's problems are created by those who are too rational and whose very rationality either prevent them from recognizing the problem (Chamberlain with the threat posed by Hitler) or from being creative enough to think outside the box in finding a solution (the succession of well-meaning politicians who've unsuccessfully tried to find a solution on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict) - but perhaps this is neither here nor there. ;)

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PS. You aren't some whacko are you? I might have to get ugly on you is you are! :p
No worries there, though my personal politics are left-oriented they are not that extreme and I am quite rational (though were I completely insane I would probably not myself know it). :up:

I think Chamberlain had his hands tied and was unable to respond or risk provoking a premature response from Hitler which may have actually given Hitler enough time to do the job he set out to do. I think things happened rather well for the outcome of WWII could have been much worse!

So I opt for the neither here no there approach!

-S

scandium 07-06-06 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
I also read somewhere that when someone on a plane flushes the commode someone on the ground might be hit by flying s#!t.
You have to think about these possibilities when you leave home. :huh:
Thats why I hardly ever leave home. I don't want to be hit by flying
s#it. If some fell from 13,000 feet it would be frozen enough to go through your head and out your butt. :know:

I wish I could find the article, but not too long ago there was something like this that had actually happened (it hit a house or something, causing some property damage and terrorizing the occupants) :lol:.

In a similar vein, living near the ocean where we have a very large seagull population, getting spattered by bird droppings is more likely, and no less disgusting, concern. :ping: Though at least it would not be lethal. :lol:

bradclark1 07-06-06 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scandium
In a similar vein, living near the ocean where we have a very large seagull population, getting spattered by bird droppings is more likely, and no less disgusting, concern. :ping: Though at least it would not be lethal. :lol:

Yeah, I live near the ocean. We have huge sea gulls here. No skinny ones. It's the left over french fries and Big Macs that people feed them. You just have to keep an eye out for dropping/flying organic matter. Thats another reason I rarely leave the house. :)

SUBMAN1 07-07-06 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scandium
In a similar vein, living near the ocean where we have a very large seagull population, getting spattered by bird droppings is more likely, and no less disgusting, concern. :ping: Though at least it would not be lethal. :lol:

Yeah, I live near the ocean. We have huge sea gulls here. No skinny ones. It's the left over french fries and Big Macs that people feed them. You just have to keep an eye out for dropping/flying organic matter. Thats another reason I rarely leave the house. :)

THey grow things bigger on the West coast - you do not want to be hit by flying seagull sh*t over here - it would devestate your life! :p

-S

MadMike 07-09-06 06:12 AM

One point safety tests performed at the Nevada Test Site confirm the safety of US and British nuclear warheads. The article is pure BS.
Numerous US nuclear weapons have undergone high explosive (non-nuclear) detonations or burning in aircraft accidents, for example-

The 1966 Thule Greenland accident with a B-52 carrying four B28FI bombs hit the ice travelling over 450 mph. Guess what? Due to design features there was no nuclear energy release despite the weapons all being in close proximity to each other (on a clip-in). Obviously, there was a high explosive detonation in all four weapons that resulted in plutonium contamination, but absolutely no possibility of a high yield nuclear detonation (there was no low order nuclear energy release to the best of my knowledge).
Other accidents include a B-58 Hustler carrying five weapons (it caught fire during an alert on the ground), A B-52 carrying two weapons crashing in Maryland, another in Kentucky after colliding with a KC-135, the Palomares accident (B-52 colliding with KC-135), Thor missile blowing up on the launch pad on Johnston Island during the atmospheric test series in 1962, yada yada.
Anyone close enough in this "accident scenario" is going to die from the crash, burning jet fuel, or high explosive detonation (not any initial radiation release).

Yours, Mike

bradclark1 07-09-06 03:59 PM

Nukes just don't go boom over anything. A specific sequence has to happen.

Godalmighty83 07-09-06 04:30 PM

you have to have a rod of plutonium in one hand and a lump of uranium in the other, then clap really hard.

at least its that simple as far as all the anti-nuke enviromentalists are concerned, they think everything vaguely radiation based is a potential chernoble. noone tell them about the radioactive material in smoke detectors for gods sake.

MadMike 07-09-06 09:05 PM

"tell them about the radioactive material in smoke detectors for gods sake."

Good one, Godalmighty83.

Wanna know your annual radiation dosage from natural and man-made materials?

http://newnet.lanl.gov/main.htm


Yours, Mike

SUBMAN1 07-10-06 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Godalmighty83
you have to have a rod of plutonium in one hand and a lump of uranium in the other, then clap really hard.

at least its that simple as far as all the anti-nuke enviromentalists are concerned, they think everything vaguely radiation based is a potential chernoble. noone tell them about the radioactive material in smoke detectors for gods sake.

You are so 1940's! Get with the 2000's! We play soccer out here!

-S :p

snowsub 07-10-06 01:29 AM

Isn't there a bomb that fell into a swamp in florida and has been there ever since, appartently they looked for it but never found, after all these years and it's still ok (probably a little rusted but you get that :lol: )

There's like 5 or 6 awol bombs about the place in continental US :hmm:

MadMike 07-10-06 04:49 PM

Actually, there are-

1. Mk15 thermonuclear bomb (minus nuclear capsule) that's sitting somewhere in the mud off Tybee Sound, Georgia. Obviously incapable of a nuclear explosion.

2. B43 thermonuclear bomb (along with A-4 Skyhawk and pilot) that fell off an aircraft carrier "more than 500 miles from land". Actually it's off the coast of Japan, but 500 miles from the Chinese mainland in about 10,000 feet of water.

3 and 4. Two Mk5 bombs jettisoned from a C-124 off the US east coast. No high exposive detonation observed (no nuclear capsules installed).

5. Mk7 Betty anti-submarine weapon aboard P-5M that ditched in Whidbey Island, Washington (nuclear capsule not installed).

6. Goldsboro, NC- B-52 broke up in mid-air after structural failure, one bomb recovered but the portion of another (the secondary, which contains uranium and isn't capable of a nuclear explosion) could not be recovered after extensive digging.

7 and 8. Two W34 warheads purportedly lost aboard USS Scorpion, off the Azores.

9 and 10. Two nuclear capsules that were aboard a B-47 Stratojet that was lost over the Med.

Now, wonder how many missing nukes are scattered about the ocean floor compliments of the Soviet Navy?

Yours, Mike


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