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The Avon Lady 04-18-06 02:26 AM
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England, like much of the rest of Western Europe, may never have to experience sufferring from a single nuke. Sha'aria law is comming to a theater near you via creeping Islamization.
It is no secret that Israel repeatedly has "leaked" it's intention that if it ever should fall it will take Europe with it.
Sounds like a secret leaked by Israel hating Europeans, if you ask me.
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It also is no secret, as retired Israelis militaries repeatedly have indicated, that all European capitals and major cities are in the crosshais of Israel'S nuclear forces.
Go ahead and post direct, verbatim quotes, please.
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Maybe we should attack Israel, preemptively?
You sound French today.

The Avon Lady 04-18-06 02:28 AM
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So by attacking Iran, this means that if nothing is done iran will fire that nuke on isreal or whoever. Isreal should have no fear of her enemies cos it aint gonna happen. Isreal will never be destroyed. And iran haven't said we going to wipe out the americans. So what is the friggin problem.

I say let iran talk out of there ass, and just keep an eye on them, but dont go and do some code red strike. America will only wake up the pitbulls :D
What you said is much in parallel to what Neville Chamberlain said and against which Winston Churchill argued vigorously against. There Hear/See/Speak No Evil crowd won, leading to millions of more deaths a few years later down the line.

kiwi_2005 04-18-06 07:01 AM
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What you said is much in parallel to what Neville Chamberlain said and against which Winston Churchill argued vigorously against. There Hear/See/Speak No Evil crowd won, leading to millions of more deaths a few years later down the line.
Thats living in the past Avon.

War what is it really good for. Kill Kill Kill. Thats it. Someone threatens another lets go blast them. And all in the name of God. :yep:

The Avon Lady 04-18-06 07:17 AM
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What you said is much in parallel to what Neville Chamberlain said and against which Winston Churchill argued vigorously against. There Hear/See/Speak No Evil crowd won, leading to millions of more deaths a few years later down the line.
Thats living in the past Avon.
No, I'm living today. Maybe had I myself back then been a British or US citizen, I might have sung Neville's tune.

But we should all be much the wiser now.

Do you mean there is nothing to learn from such past history? There are no parallels between then and now?

Please elaborate.
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War what is it really good for. Kill Kill Kill. Thats it. Someone threatens another lets go blast them.
What happens if the threats are put into practice? You will likely have war with many more killed than had you stopped the agressor in the first place. Or should we all just raise a white flag in advance and get it over with?
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And all in the name of God.
Other than the Iranians, who is talking about religion here?

scandium 04-18-06 07:36 AM
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What happens if the threats are put into practice? You will likely have war with many more killed than had you stopped the agressor in the first place. Or should we all just raise a white flag in advance and get it over with?
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And all in the name of God.
Other than the Iranians, who is talking about religion here?
You're talking about a hypothetical. More accurately, you're justifying pre-emptive war to prevent a hypothetical. An act of aggression to prevent aggression and killing to prevent killing. I guess this Orwellian "War is Peace" concept is over my head. Probably because I don't see the comparison to WWII Nazi Germany that you see.

The Avon Lady 04-18-06 07:47 AM
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What happens if the threats are put into practice? You will likely have war with many more killed than had you stopped the agressor in the first place. Or should we all just raise a white flag in advance and get it over with?
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And all in the name of God.
Other than the Iranians, who is talking about religion here?
You're talking about a hypothetical. More accurately, you're justifying pre-emptive war to prevent a hypothetical. An act of aggression to prevent aggression and killing to prevent killing. I guess this Orwellian "War is Peace" concept is over my head. Probably because I don't see the comparison to WWII Nazi Germany that you see.
How long before Germany attacked Poland did the situation stop being hypothetical?

Was Churchill an Orwellian to you? How was he not?

Sorry if I cannot respond further. Holiday coming up.

scandium 04-18-06 07:54 AM
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How long before Germany attacked Poland did the situation stop being hypothetical?

Was Churchill an Orwellian to you? How was he not?

Sorry if I cannot respond further. Holiday coming up.
No Churchill wasn't Orwellian to me. Are you saying there's a modern day Churchill? Who would that be, Rumsfeld? :rotfl:

Or has Iran already built up the equivalent modern day arsenal that Germany had built up in the run-up to Poland? Do they even have the capability? I still don't see the parallels, sorry.

The Avon Lady 04-18-06 08:04 AM
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How long before Germany attacked Poland did the situation stop being hypothetical?

Was Churchill an Orwellian to you? How was he not?

Sorry if I cannot respond further. Holiday coming up.
No Churchill wasn't Orwellian to me. Are you saying there's a modern day Churchill? Who would that be, Rumsfeld? :rotfl:
Unfortunately, I know of no leader today who comes near the stature of Churchill.

My point being, what did Churchill advocate way before the actual onset of WWII?
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Or has Iran already built up the equivalent modern day arsenal that Germany had built up in the run-up to Poland?
Question: do the Iranians currently have teh capacity to produce dirty nukes? How many?

What about Iranian chemical and biological weaponry? Are you aware of their program's status in these areas?
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Do they even have the capability? I still don't see the parallels, sorry.
I'm sorry, too.

Must be running....................

Wim Libaers 04-18-06 06:49 PM
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England, like much of the rest of Western Europe, may never have to experience sufferring from a single nuke. Sha'aria law is comming to a theater near you via creeping Islamization.
It is no secret that Israel repeatedly has "leaked" it's intention that if it ever should fall it will take Europe with it.
Sounds like a secret leaked by Israel hating Europeans, if you ask me.
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It also is no secret, as retired Israelis militaries repeatedly have indicated, that all European capitals and major cities are in the crosshais of Israel'S nuclear forces.
Go ahead and post direct, verbatim quotes, please.
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Maybe we should attack Israel, preemptively?
You sound French today.
Easiest to find:
http://www.rense.com/general34/esde.htm

kiwi_2005 04-19-06 05:03 AM
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Other than the Iranians, who is talking about religion here?
You haven't heard? I thought Isreal would be the first to know about it. GB believes God speaks to him.... :yep:

:rotfl:

Skybird 04-19-06 05:44 AM
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It is no secret that Israel repeatedly has "leaked" it's intention that if it ever should fall it will take Europe with it.
Sounds like a secret leaked by Israel hating Europeans, if you ask me.
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It also is no secret, as retired Israelis militaries repeatedly have indicated, that all European capitals and major cities are in the crosshais of Israel'S nuclear forces.
Go ahead and post direct, verbatim quotes, please.[/quote]


I have, repeatedly, last time some months ago. An ex-chief of military staff, some ex-intel-director, van Crefeld.Forgive that I do not store all and everything on HD for years, just in case someone asks for the precise quote. It is a pretty well-known thing anyway. At least over here.

Konovalov 04-19-06 06:22 AM
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I have, repeatedly, last time some months ago. An ex-chief of military staff, some ex-intel-director, van Crefeld.Forgive that I do not store all and everything on HD for years, just in case someone asks for the precise quote. It is a pretty well-known thing anyway. At least over here.
Skybird,

Earlier on in the thread you will find that Wim Libaers linked to this guy as per below:
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by Skybird
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England, like much of the rest of Western Europe, may never have to experience sufferring from a single nuke. Sha'aria law is comming to a theater near you via creeping Islamization.
It is no secret that Israel repeatedly has "leaked" it's intention that if it ever should fall it will take Europe with it.
Sounds like a secret leaked by Israel hating Europeans, if you ask me.
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It also is no secret, as retired Israelis militaries repeatedly have indicated, that all European capitals and major cities are in the crosshais of Israel'S nuclear forces.
Go ahead and post direct, verbatim quotes, please.
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Maybe we should attack Israel, preemptively?
You sound French today.
Easiest to find:
http://www.rense.com/general34/esde.htm
Isn't this guy a Dutchman who resides in Israel?

Skybird 04-19-06 06:59 AM
Van Creveld is one of the guys I meant, yes. Jewish military-historian, I red some of his books (the one on personnel-leading in the Wehrmacht, "fighting Power", and the one on the future of wars, "On Future War" are top readings), Israelis hate him for he takes the freedom to think queer, and says from a military-historians position he must conclude that Israel is unable to survive in that hostile environemnt over the long run, and has been deadlocked in a self-destructive war it cannot win by tactics as used in the political acting in the last decades. no wonder that they look at him with deepest disgust. Beyond Israel, though, he has a top reputation.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...738703-7370301

But I have retired official's statements and/or indications in mind, too.

The Avon Lady 04-19-06 02:56 PM
Wow! More links from Rense.

I'm sure you can find Stormtrooper links to confirm such reliable info.

Good night.

SUBMAN1 04-19-06 03:07 PM
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Why should he back it. Its not his war.
Are you certain?
If that should happen, then the englishmen will join the US in the war against Iran. but as I understand England is not interestet in a prestrike against Iran.
England, like much of the rest of Western Europe, may never have to experience sufferring from a single nuke. Sha'aria law is comming to a theater near you via creeping Islamization.

On the other hand, what you're saying is that the UK should risk being hit first anyway. Perhaps London or Machester is expendable after all.
What are the requirements for immigrating to Isreal? They seem to be the only ones left in this world with half a brain. :)

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