Torpedo fodder,do you have ANYTHING to do with the aviation industry?I have TWENTY years of professional aviation experience. Perhaps I should have compared Airbus to Mercedes rather than Ferrari.When a fuselage panel has to be replaced on a Boeing it has to be custom made as no two boeings are the same.An Airbus has higher tolerances and stock items can be used.Airbus has been consistently innovative unlike boeing who have just used clones of older models

No, but I have flown on both manufacturer's aircraft, I cannot notice any real difference from a passenger's perspective (though I must say the 777 seems to handle turbulence more smoothly than the A340: I've been told that's due to a more flexible wing)

Mercedes' current models have below-average reliability too.

Sorry, but what you say is simply impssible. If each and every Boeing aircraft required custom parts, then it would have been impossible to serially produce them in the first place, especially given how many companies from around the world Boeing subcontracts to manufacture parts for it's aircraft.

Besides, Airbus has used the same fuslage cross section since all the way back to the A300 (you could probably graft fuselage panels from an A310 to an A340). The only ones that don't use that cross section are A320 and A380. Meanwhile, every Boeing model on the market now has a different fuselage cross section.

Ironically, that's exactly what Airbus is doing now to compete with the innovative new 787: Building a warmed-over clone of the A330.

I always find it amazing that just because you have joined the ranks of self loading cargo you suddenly become an expert on commercial aviation!I have flown and I mean flown not sat in the back airbus and boeing for twenty years.I have spent over a year of my life in the pointy end all over the world and yet you torpedo fodder seem to know better than me!What is the turbulence speed for a A330-200?What is the max allowed egt on start for a CF6-80C2-A5?What is the minimum Vapp for an A300-605R?What is the range of a B737-3YO in charter confIG?
I have been to Toulouse to see Airbus being made,I have also been to Sindelfingen to see Mercedes being made-where have you been?In row 23 pontificating about how much you know about commercial aircraft!

Guys...take it easy!!! Each of you have your own opinions...rarely will you be able to change the other guy's opinion, so just be happy with your own viewpoint and try and respect everyone else...there's no need to get riled up about this...I'm sure you both have other, far more important things to fight over.


Holy cow...I'm starting to sound like one of the mods...somebody do something!

My employer operates Boeing and Airbus.I am just repeating what our engineers have to say about maintaining both families.I don't know if any of you ever saw the pictures of the DHL A300 that got hit by a sam on departure out of Baghdad,but the crew were thankful they were in a 'bus that day!!
Edit to include link:http://www.talkingproud.us/International051504.html

Cornwallis, perhaps you should find some evidence and documentation to counter Torpedo Fodder's claims, rather than attack him personally. He would certainly be more willing to accept your authority on the subject if you demonstrate that authority rather than outright demand it.

Tak you will be asaking for my atpl number next.The next time one of the company engineers talks about the boeing vs Airbus I will take some notes.Did any of you look at the pictures of the DHL A300-they are worth a look!

I will not ask for any of your credentials, as I believe that you may well be an expert on the matter. My aviation experience, however, is limited to endless hours on Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004. You should see me land: I'm all over the runway....and the grass, field, highway, etc.

I am only suggesting that since Torpedo Fodder was not attacking you on a personal level, that you might consider doing the same.

Have you ever head of auto land?

Yes. It's about 12 miles north on Rt. 378. They mostly sell old Chevys, so not really worth anyone's time. They are currently featuring oil changes at $6.50.

I didnt mean the car company i ment on planes, they have an auto land feature.

On fs 2004 i ment line up with the ILS and then flich the APR switch lands the plane for you if you cant be botherd to do it manualy.

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Seems like some Boeing people have been up to no good:http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=222056

Calm down. I have no reason to deny or doubt your experience, but I have heard different stories than yours from other people associated with the airline industry (I even talked to one guy who works for Southwest who's so convinced that Airbus only builds it's aircraft to minimum safety standards they can get away with: Then again, southwest only operates 737s, so their personnel may not have that much experience with Airbusses), and I have heard others that agree with your account to some degree or another.

As for the engineers you talked to, how do you know they wern't comparing contemporary Airbus models with older or out-of-production Boeings? If what you say is true concerning contemporary Airbus vs. Boeing models, then you should be able to provide some documented proof of your claims.

Good for you. I've worked in an auto shop, and I've seen Mercedes after they break. Of course, that probably qualifies as anecdodal evidence, so if you don't believe me you can look up Mercedes-Benz's reliability record at JD Power or Consumer Reports. No wonder the Mercedes Group of DaimlerChrysler is hemorrhaging $400 million a year, leaving the Chrysler Group to rake in the lion's share of the company's revenue. As for my experience in autoplants, I once participated in a student tour of the GM Oshawa autoplex, one of the largest automobile manufacturing complexes in the world (at one time it was second only to the Lada complex in the former USSR), also the higest rated auto plant in the Western Hemisphere in both quality and productivity according to JD Power.

Just bumping this back up to the top to attach this link:

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/11255..._Airport_Pilot

Very good :up: