Then it's another conflict... Who knows... If Germany had won the battle against England, it would certanly invest a lot in V2 in order to cause "some" damage in URSS.
It's hard to say who would have won anyway.

Please remember one thing Hitler waged a war of genocide against the Jews, Communists, and the mentally ill and so on. :nope:

Agreed. Besides all of that, he wasn't nearly the best strategist I've ever heard about...

TRUE.

:rotfl: ADDICTED! :D

If 300 TYPE XXI on patrol every month say from 1940 onwards, would of made a HUGE difference to the war of the atlantic.

With more u boats in the war begins and aircraft carriers like japanese in the pacific, and build or buy the Zero aircraft, with his range the england battle could be different.

Also more I+d in Asw /radar,and early snorkels

And dont make some big mistakes

Change the strategy in the england battle
delay in arrive to moscow
lose the whole 6 army in Stalingrad

i still maintain that if Hitler had 300 operational UBoats from Winter 39 the British would have been too scarred to deploy the navy in case of heavy losses

Hitler could have had a stranglehold around Britain - he could have quite literally starved the UK into submission

I think most of you are missing the point. Hitler invaded Russia instead of keeping the pressure on the British, he sent some three million troops into Russia, possibly more, which if sent into Britain would've been the end of the supply route to Europe. If Japan hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor and Germany concentrated on Britain like I said earlier, they could attack the US from two sides, the only way to defeat America.

The bottom line is that Germany or Japan alone could not compete with America's industrial complex, 300 type XXI's or no type XXI's. Same goes with Russia, Germany was pretty much bogged down in Stalingrad and was fighting a losing battle, despite taking much ground in Eastern Europe, the supply lines were stretched extremely far. Again, having a Japanese Expeditionary force on the other side of Russia, coming in from the East would've made quite the difference.

All in all, the war of WW2 was won on the ground, in large part. Not to say that this will always be so in future wars, as nuclear submarines can decimate whole countries...

And if you've played Axis and Allies, you know that the Axis cannot win unless Japan starts building a factory in China on her first move.

:rotfl: And if you consider yourself a pro in Starcraft, that's the equivalent of a five star general...

is that how u win?? Psh man i stunk at that game. :nope:

I have never played Starcraft, but here wonderful things about it from folks who do. Especially the unit balancing.

That and Germany needs to get some lucky roles attacking Leningrad.

XXI's early in the war would serve to expediate the development of the USN's homing torpedoes, especially active homers. The bottom line is that for all of their advancements, the XXI was still a submersible torpedo boat, bound to the surface.

I have to go with Drebbel's original statement. As it was Germany was forced to ransack high to mid voltage transmission lines throughout France and other occupied countries for copper just to boost U-Boat production. In the fight for finite resources a land animal like Hitler wasn't about to cut back on tank production and increases in the number of Army divisions to build and man a fleet of 5,000 submarines. Germany's industrial might only went so far.

Frankly, if Hitler could have traveled from 1945 back to 1933 with a couple of blueprints he probably would thrown everthing into early Tiger and Panther tank production and research on anti-ship missles (which the Germans had by 1943).....the latter a lot cheaper anti-merchant weapon than submarines.

On the other hand if Hitler had had a time machine....he probably would have traveled to back 1914 and dumped all these goodies on the Kaiser. :o

Completely wrong.

You are focussing on tonnage of shipping sunk. who cares?

Look at percentage of incoming cargos that were sunk and you will see that the U-boats were trivial.

In their best year (42) the U-boats only sank 9.7% of the incoming cargos.

Again wrong, if you triple the cargos sunk you still dont have a great impact on Britains ability to continue the war.

You also (like most who put forward these alternative plans) assume that the alliese would not react, if the Germans built a serious number of subs pre war the allies would divert resources from cruisers and battleships to ASW assets.