If you're right, then yes, he's over the top. I'm not trying to soften up anything. It is still not the essence of what the article's topic is about.
Good points.

BTW, elsewhere I often say "good luck, Europe". I don't believe it's too late but time's a'wastin'.

Re: Good bye Europe
 

I stopped reading at "Europe’s botched civilization, perverted by socialism and lost faith..."

Being a democratic socialist I lost interest in whatever else he had to say when he began with the assumption that socialism is a perversion while still only at the point of laying out his thesis statement. Either he's a very poor writer or the article is aimed at a select audience who share that premise as a foregone conclusion.

Re: Good bye Europe
 

Ahw c'mon scandium!
You stopped reading after one remark about socialism? You have no stomach for polemics against the left?
I don't believe you, if only because your postings often show much background knowledge. I would advise you always to read your opponents opinion, you might learn something from him.
To give you an example: I read your postings - not just because I'm moderating - although usually I don't agree at all with you. I'm just looking for something to learn...
:rotfl:

Maybe we should substitute the thread's opening article with Eurabian Nightmares, by Andrew G. Bostom, author of The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims.

LOL. You would not say but I stopped reading right there as well !

I could fill in the blanks myself from there on :rotfl:

[time management, guys, for me it's all about time management :know: ]

I like that one.

However, Lincoln never said it. :nope:

Is this a Philip K. Dick scenario, then? :-?

Re: Good bye Europe
 

Yes but I try and save my most controversial points for the body or closing portion of my post rather than the opening portion before even getting to the thesis statement ;)

I actually don't mind polemic against the left, in fact I'm rather used to it as its somewhat common. If the author's thesis statement was that socialism was a perversion, then I might have read it to see why he believes this is so. However, having begun in his opening paragraph with a controversial premise even before getting to his thesis then he'd already lost me because I know what follows will not be based on any reasoned arguements (because one does not construct them from such a shaky foundation).

I had to look that one up. :doh:

Here's the original:

"There is danger that, if the Court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."
- U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice Robert Jackson,1949, Terminello v. City of Chicago

Atleast the article got some attention here. :lol: The article is at some points quite extreme. But in general i agree his points about what is wrong with Europe. Times are coming when understanding and hugging the entire world arent going to cut it. This weekend i became a godfather to my good friends first child. From his apartments window i saw two couples with children passing by, they were foreign and they were muslim. The men walked in front the women, the women were wearing those burghas that have only small holes in front of the eyes, there were atlest six children with them. I really feel that my way of life is threatened, but they are the ones getting every concession. As an ordinary citizen my belief in the goverment to handle this multiculti fairly is very low. I dont even understand what obligation a country ( Finland) that has no colonial past and that was dirt poor only 40 years ago, has to cater a life here for people that openly despise us and our culture. All answers ive heard for multiculturalism, are starting to sound naive and irritating.

:up: Happy Times,

Good to note not all Scandinavians are treehuggers, ready to roll or bend over in the name of abstract human rights.

Same here, Happy Times :up:

Pole

My belief in the government is very, very, very low...
but my belief that someone will actually do something about it, is even lower.... :down: