Please Skybird if you think you might have some influence in the Pentagon, Tel Aviv or Teheran, make sure they also drop a nuclear bomb in my house and kill me and my family. I'm each day that goes by more and more sick of living in a world like this. :shifty: When I read your words above, or read what AlQaeda, the iranian president or the Avon Lady usually say, I can feel that I really do not belong to a world were hate is so powerfully implanted in people.

It was really a stupid hope from myself to think that egoism, hate, jealousy and all other forms of human's worst side would eventually be defeated and let us be different and live in respect with nature and our neighbours.
:nope:

Such drivel!

As if those that seek to defend themselves are guilty. :down: :down: :down:

Nuking you? Hm, there are more civilised ways top get rid of you :D. come over here. We drive to my bank, I 'll get my Katana and then give you a shave you will never need to repeat. :lol:

Meggle is right. The propaganda battle already has started.

Self defence comes after an enemy attack has started, not before. You are on your right to arm yourself to warn any potential enemy about the consequences of his attack, not to be armed but prevent the other from arming himself (In case that is really what Teheran is going to do).

Propaganda?

Who cares on the stupid discussion the "propaganda" wants to create? The "you started first" kind of discussion is not to my appeal, it is good for children discussing at the school, not for adults -except if they want to legitimate childishly preventive attacks and such-

Go exterminate Iran and all muslism to feel safer. And while you are at it, exterminate also anyone who is not willing to accept the "I have nukes, you don't because I deny you the right to have them, based on my right as the strongest"

This world has gone mad, and the sad thing is that the people from those civilizations or nations who are more evolutioned and are more responsable for peaceful solutions are equally violent to the less developed, middle-aged fanatics.

I am with Israel in 90% of his claims in the Palestinian conflict, and I am with the US in his right to answer terrorist attacks with determination, even -I remark this- if it causes collaterall civilian damages sometimes.

But cold-blooded planning of preventive bombing or war against Iran just because a fear of them developing a nuclear bomb instead of trying to force a full control of what is going on by the atomic energu agency is too much for me. Sorry. :nope:

I can think of many more dead innocent people in the world with such ridiculous assumptions.
Says who? Hitman, Lord of the Universe?

Just look at history to see the tragic results of such cases of political inertia.
Tell us something. Until Iran made unilateral threats to destroy my country, who made such similar threats against Iran.

Someone here has swallowed a lot of fantasy pacific propaganda and can't see the simplest of truths right in front of his eyes.
Yes, blame the victim.

Yes, give the middle-aged fanatic mullahs their little toys. Then the world will be sane once more.
Where have you been the last 2 or 3 years when the IAEA huffed and puffed and sent nasty letters to Iran, only to be laughed at?

Oh, they won a Nobel Peace Prize for a job well done.

A mad world, indeed! :yep:

That is true. And most of them killed by people who thought like you.

Says me, Hitman simple human being with no intention to harm anyone if possible, let alone do preventive wars. Unlike you. What I can see in history is a balanced tragic result of deads thanks to preventive attacks and thanks to not acting in time.

So you are ready to use the same principles as Iran and even go further by turning your threats into realities before Iran does?

No, I have swallowed 5 years of university to have a degree in laws, various years of postgrade studes in laws, specialization in public and administrative laws, several years of court practicing and a good amount of philosophy books. Not to mention the personal education I have received in a family with several consecutive generations of magistrates and university teachers.

It is however confortable to see that you have knowledges and curriculum beyond that to determine that I am a victim of pacifist propaganda. I could acuse you -using the same reasoning you do- of swallowing zionist propaganda, but I personally don't think that is the case in an intelligent person like you.

One of the first things you learn on a court is that rarely one of the sides has 100% basement in his claims. Israel has been a victim many times, and is still a victim to some unfair actions like terrorism, but however that does not mean you have the right to be the only victim or completely innocent of any charge. Same as the USA, Spain or anyone else.

You mean electric generation nuclear powerplants are their "little toys"?

Some Mullahs might think that Quran tells them to nuke US and the jews, then anyone from a different faith. But is that really different to others using nukes as the force to do what they want? The US keeps an echonomic colonialism thanks to their Army and nuclear power. Israel uses his Army to do in his land what he thinks is correct. Is that legitimate? To what extent? How can you know you have the right to do what you are currently doing? Ah, yes, I forgot: God told you through revelation that the land of Israel belonged to the jews, ergo you have the divine right to be there and also use the force to guarantee your property. But there is one little problem: It seems that God told the muslims a set of different things. So are the reasons that support your claims different from the ones of the muslims? I would say no.

The chinese regime had the intention to spread communism all over the world and end with anyone thinking differently. Why wasn't China bombed? Is there a bigger threat than a set of russian missiles in the middle of the cold war installed in Cuba, aiming at the USA, or ballistic subs in front of the US coasts? Why was the USSR not bombed then?

Mad world, where predication of love in the name of God is later used in all sides to justify struggles for land and natural resources.

Thankfully, we are heading for massive extinction thorugh climate change and may be a definitive conflict. Truly the best that can happen to this poor planet, to whom we have caused already enough pain. :nope:

Yes, oh how right Meggle is with what he said on propaganda and fixed mindsets.
As is illustrated by how this thread is going.

And so the story unfolds by predicted patterns. Latest example: the following news article corresponds to 3.3.5, I.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4647956.stm

Conclusion: the promise of yesterday is the whip of tomorrow, if child does not behave. :cool:

Hye Skybird, is part two now also in the doc ?

A very interesting article btw.

Deamon

Just a quote from I think your words Skybird kinda intresting...True Isreali weapons clearly outmatch/outgun Iran but I think what the whole deal here is Isreal...as far as I know... have never made such "Nazi" like "Final Solution" type threats about Iran or Muslims...threats that I don't think can be gambled upon to be that...threats...

Irans pres would have to do some Serious Serious backpeddling and asskissing for me to even think he was not sincere in his threats..even then...I don't think I would believe him...I don't think Isreal or the US will either....

Hitman...It is the realization of what you seem to be grasping now I saw at age 16...This world sucks...in it's current state,...and why would a sane individual want to continue knowing the damage we do to each other and the world...This I know for a fact is the reason for alot of suicides...but there is another way...Jesus Christ.
All these things happening have to happen for the end to come about...Seek and you will find bro.There will be no world peace...and I think if you correctly interpret Matthew 24 4-31 then you will understand...

"And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved..."

Truly a Mad House...Only One can bring about peace...or One bring about total destruction.
One is already here...One is coming back.


Your signature Hitman is pretty close to...

Romans 12

[20] Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
[21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Yes. The download includes the complete text. Part two is posting No.2 in this thread. I plan to edit it's visual appearance today. Try later this afternoon.

Never hurts to see conflicts from both side's view.

its plainly obvious that as soon as iran get anywhere near testing a nuclear weapon the israeli airforce will act as the did with the nuclear program in iraq given to them by guess who all our fav two faced frenchy chirac

Daemon,

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/BOI.doc

New download location. Can one imagine it: the original file name was "Bombs_on_Iran" - and it got blocked form beeing uploaded. when renaming it to BOI, it passed through.

Draw your conclusions.

@ The Avon Lady & Hitman:
O.K. this is not gonna make me popular, but:

I find this remark of The Avon Lady: "ridiculous" showing lack of respect for Hitman's opinion and completely superfluous; not adding anything substantial to the discussion.
I find Hitman's reaction "... most of them killed by people who thought like you." an (of course) unsubstantiated, personal remark, that only spoils the discussion.
I find The Avon Lady's; "Hitman, Lord of the Universe?" unnecessairy provocative.
I find Hitman's answer: "Hitman... with no intention to harm anybody... Unlike you" again a personal remark that does not help the discussion much and might be taken as flaming.

We are having an interesting discussion here but in order to keep it decent I would like to ask The Avon Lady to refrain from provoking remarks and Hitman from overreacting in such a personal way.

This is not just about the two of you, but you as experienced forum members are as such an example for others, who might think that personal remarks are not frowned upon. And if we want to have though discussions about sensitive subjects on this forum everybody will have to show a minimum of respect towards his or her opponent.

Abraham
(with moderator cap on)

Please continue the discussion...