I do find Jespers attitude regarding how well someone writes html quite annoying and I think it is something that is good with IE.

Not everyone can write tight code for whatever reason. There might be guides on good html writing, but there are also guides and books on writing/speaknig good English.

It is a snobbish attitude. Although I agree commercial sites should be fully functional I think for most personal sites it is asking too much.

Opera lover here

Having used FF for about a year now, both at home and at work, there's not a chance in hell that I'd willingly use IE again. FF is just more user friendly with all of the options and cookie control stuff and tabed browsing.
Also without getting to 'political' I wasn't too impressed with M$ attitude towards the fledgling Netscape browser way back... so it's kinda nice to see FF come back and bite mr gates in the arse :P I guess eventually there'll be someone who exploits FF for a virus, but in all the time I've used it I've never had anykind of trouble with that sort of thing; unlike IE which let nasty things into my system on more than one occasion.
The argument of 'don't go walking down muddy streets if you want to keep your shoes clean' is all very well, but you don't have to exclusively browse porn sites (or whatever) to get a virus or other spyware stuff on your system.
I guess it's a preference, but I'll be sticking with FF for the future, any comeback for IE would have to be pretty damn spectacuarly revolutionary to get me to use it as a main web browser.

I agree. I have used Firefox for over a year, at home and at work, and can't see going back to IE. There are very few websites I have to use IE to view, so the tabs and speed work for me. Theres no doubt that the hackers will target FF in the future, but for the time being, I'll enjoy the speed.

Agreed. Absolutely. Anyone boasting about any Windows application's security without overall protecting their PC is gonna get wallupped!

Read about it happening so many times, especially in posts on gaming forums.

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LOL it's not only yours ! :P

No, but how often have you seen or heard of attacks on opensource software?

On another note has anyone tried out the Microsoft Antispyware Beta 1. had it on my system now for a month and i find it better than Spybot or Ad-Aware. Its found malware which the other two couldn't.

I downt target my "snobbish'ness" towads persjonal wjebshjite oners an no i downt types perfact englaise grammars eiter, but hey you can not compare html with english grammar.
compare it to a skilled trade or an art instead.
You dont mess with high voltage if you dont know how to flick off a light switch.
You dont do brain surgery if you dont know the differnce from head and tail.
You dont fly a plane if you are prone to forget even the smallest details.
:)

Everyone would know how to write their html properly according to the RFC protocol if they cared to read a book about it, just like an english grammar book. ;)

(This post was originally very long but I shortened it down to this, cause I am not a snob and I dont hate people that cant/wont write their webpages properly and I dont have MSIE, I just like FF better). I dont hate MS either I just dont like some of their policies and furthermore this topic is not about "how to write html"). :P

www.w3.org www.w3schools.com http://validator.w3.org these should get anyone who wants to learn html startet.

Re: Firefox 1.5
 

she really does :arrgh!:

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oops double post, sorry :roll:

I think you just proved XabbaRus correct about you being an html snob. A website is not about the "code", it's about the content. The html is just the tool to get the content displayed. Web authoring is nothing like "brain surgery" or working on high voltage, it's more like sweeping a shop floor. A few specks of dust is no reason to burn the house down. IE is just better than FF at interpreting html--perfect and not perfect html.

The code is as important as the content, the content is useless if your visitors cant see it.

The engine in a car is as important as the design, without the engine the car is useless.

IE interprets errors better than FF, cause IE doesnt follow the HTML RFC, not that FF does either cause since MS allowed IE (heck they even tried to force in the own html standards) to skip errors then other newer browsers has to add some tweaks too.
IE isnt always better than FF/Opera and other browsers. There are many examples of IE doesnt render CSS2 and CSS3 styles, MS has decided to wait till IE7 before they fix that.

If you want to be a web author/master you have to learn it just like you have to learn that floors are swept with the brush and not the handle, or for that matter any other art or trade you want to excerise you have to learn it, work or hobby it doesnt matter.

That said, I still thinks everyone should write their own homepage if they wants to and wants to learn it, but people should stop being MS/MSIE centrics and think that just cause IE shows "my page" then all other browsers does too.

I mentioned Opera 8.51. Well becareful if you decide to use it. Opera 8 was good i then upgraded to 8.51 and for the last few days i notice my computer just restarts in the middle of what-ever im doing, i thought it was a heat problem but after a scan it found Opera 8.51 has currupt files going back to 8. the restarts stopped.

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8439/snap19pr.jpg

Opera: 5 tabs (5 different websites) open in one window
IE: No tabs in one window


IE: Good if you like to write untidy HTML with unclosed tags and tables. However, the output might not be as it was in IE. I think that it is a negative point as you don't know how it will look like in other platforms. Always better to use HTML validator to get a standarized output (output from languages like PHP, JSP, servlets) for all type of browsers.