What good is a quick dive if the aircraft have time to bomb you???
After all, we all now how the lookout crew tells us that wewe been detected 2 seconds before the ship in question rams you!!! Same is for aircraft.

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But you're a much smaller target to hit. Just compare it from this famous shot by Markhimov :hmm:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...c/132ba5d6.jpg

I'd rather be bombed in a IIA than IXD, I think :doh:

Well, thats true. But the allied aircraft had VERY accurate bombsights. Trust me, I have 5 years of flight and combat flightsimming behind me!
But of course, the Type II is smaller; and the chances for getting hit are also smaller. :know: :know: :know:

Torpedo Allocation and Fuel Management were two of the most important skills for a kaluen to develop. No where are these more important than in the Type II.

I love the type II :D
It's almost invisable at night - and day for that matter.
You have a excellent 25sec dive time, it's an impossibly small target to hit, its size proberly makes it harder to find by pinging.
It's the only sub in that fleet that can really be called stealthy :know:
Less torpedos means less kills, but also quicker, safer patrols.

I've only survived up to late '44 in a VIIC (and '42 in a IX :oops: ), but i'm only months away from surviving the war in my IID.

You also eventually get a larger tower (on the IID anyway) so it's not as crowded :D


What could you not like on the II's??

IIs are better cause aircraft arent that accurate. They often when Im being bombed in a VII or a IX miss by a fair amount of room. So a II is smaller and the margin for error in a successful hit are significantly more. That plus by the late war super heavy flak wasn't as omni-destructive as it might seem. With such a fast dive time that means that the bombers have to hit you on the first go. They miss you're already gone and a small little sub is harder to predict after its submerged. Stealth was always the submarine's trump card. It just wasn't designed to be an anti-aircraft platform. IIs represent the spirit of submarine strategy much more I believe.

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That's true, though.

I'd imagine there are plenty of situations where the Type II is preferable. Operations in the Baltic - the often forgotten Black Sea Campaign. Operations in the shallows off the British South Coast.

I can think of a few imaginary campaigns where a Type II would have had an advantage over a type VII. Operation Sealion, had it reached the actual invasion stage would have needed Submarines to blockade British Ports. I suspect a Type II-D would have been better for closing off Rosyth and Plymouth then a Type VII.

Especially if exposed to the Royal Navy Air Corp strikes and (the few surviving elements of...) the RAF

Harbour raid and short patrol :D
It's one of my favorite boat (The other is the type IX)

I agree with most of the comments posted. Type II is indeed stealthy. But the prospect of getting a brand new Type 7 with a shiny deck gun is very tempting...

One of my best missions though, was when I sneaked into Scapa Flow with my Type 2 and nailed a Revenge Battleship with a salvo of 3 torpedos.

I dont like the IIA boats, the RUB 1.45 mod in the campaign gave me 8 damn patrols in this boat!

i was so relieve when the VIIB showed up.

Many of you have quoted to the fact of the Type II being smaller and so harder to hit by anti-sibmarine weapons. I fully agree with you on that point. But as it is smaller, it also is more vulnerable. Think of a Type IX for example. A well placed depth charge might do damage to it, but in most cases, not sink it though. The same depth charge placed near a Type II howewer, most probably would sink it! The same goes also for hedgehogs, gun rounds and bombs! The Type II is harder to hit, I agree. But it is also a LOT more vulnerable!

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I have only been DC'ed once in a Type-II, and I think that the dugout canoe's maneuvrability saved my ass.

You’re thinking about bombing in the wrong way. Yes you're smaller lengthwise but the beam of the II is only about half the beam of the VII at the tanks and nearly the same at the rest of the hull. When a ship is being bombed you put the attacking aircraft off you're beam so they have the smallest target to land their bombs on. The attacking aircraft has to aim at a smaller area (which is a problem if attacking with torpedoes) but the area they have to hit isn't much smaller, its very easy for a pilot to add a little rudder to make the bombs land on you.

Never understood why they bothered with the TYPE XXI in SH3 when the TYPE XXIII (the advanced TYPE II with streamlined hull) actually DID do combat patrols and sinks stuff, and was generally considered much more successful.