Thanks Gizzmoe.

Undestand Gizzmoe, i do not use driver cleaner yet, beacuase i tryed the ATI Tray Tool on present driver.

I souposed the ATI Tray Tool must to works fine in the present driver, for that i do not uninstall or replace the driver, but game crashes with this tool installed.



Many Thanks Wulfmann ....

Not nVidia driver in this hard drive ever, so no rest of its drivers here.

About the original CD, it have a very old V5.4 if not remember bad.

You have 75 and 78 velcius degrees, i am having 70 and as much 75, my theperature are similar, not abnormal then.



Thanks Panama Red.

I buyed the Artic Cooling Silencer 4 Rev. 2, but not installed yet, i want to be sure the card is not ruined, i do not know if i can loss the warranty if i replce the original cooler.




Thanks, Rulle....

Understand now, but it is the only one card installe, i am using a USB modem, and the onboard Sound Card incoming with the motherboard, an ASUS P4C-800 DX, it has the latest drivers form ASUS web page.

My ATI card is the only one card installed.

80 degress you wrote ? well i have 70 and eventually 75 degrees, my themperature is not abnormal then.

Hi, Panama....

I buyed the revison 2, it must to be installed with themal paste over the GPU, but bring thermal pads on the memories.


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...s/ramsinks.jpg

Did you used thermal paste over the memory thermal pads ?

Or you put the thermal pads direct over the memories with no thermal paste.

I have a x800xt PE (HiS Excalibur) on a Asus P4C800-E board temps not exceed 50 but the card should handle 70s.

I change/try-out drivers about once per month and learned the hard way. So unless you have problems with other games; which you say you do not; its not the hardware its the software.

Driver Cleaner Pro is a must especially if you "tried" several drivers, switched cards any of those things leave traces in sys32/windows folders things that uninstall will miss and XP will not let the uninstall do its job. Deleting the files may not work you should follow the directions given and go to SafeMode if you can.

Best advice is as suggested before clean, remove all drivers with DC Pro; you many even have to take out and re-seat the card.

But you have to use the cleaner first before trying anything...tools or drivers - I have it down to a 3 to 5 minute process from practice>

Have desired driver on desktop unzipped and ready to execute.

Then

Control Panel - uninstall driver - if asked yes to all, unistall anything like tools, etc all the stuff that might have been left in the CP, if there is anything after that in Startup delete it manually messy but maybe required - note have a copy of your registry just in case in a safe place.

reboot

Driver Cleaner (in your case in SafeMode) - set it to clean all Nvidia, All
ATi, All other driver types that you might have tried...

reboot (in SafeMode in your case again) new hardware should be found, if asked to install hit cancel, if asked again hit cancel until it stops asking

Turn off/disable virus protection like Norton,etc if using it - sometimes virus progs see driver installs as attacks also...

execute driver, do not let the driver package restart the PC

reboot/start manually

Should be clear or ready to go from here. BTW I tried the 5.11 myself and do not like it because it forces the CCC on a person but that is just me.

g/l <g> keep posting...

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Redwine:
I did not have to worry about installing the Artic Cooler on my X800XT PE because I purchased the X800XT PE (HiS Excalibur) model that already has the Artic Cooler installed by HiS. It took me a number of weeks to even find this particular card this past spring because HiS is not that well known in the USA, so there were only two dealers that even carried them at that time.

Thermal paste is normally more effective than the thermal pads, but the pads are easier to use. You just have to remember that "more is not better" when it comes to using the thermal paste between the heat sink and GPU. If you "google" you could find a site that will give you pictures and tell you how much paste to use when attaching the heat sink. It will probably use as an example the CPU and it's heat sink, but the concept is the same.

Once you get the Artic Cooler on, you will really notice the difference in temperatures and fan noise. :yep:

Well i was not able to run the game with ATI Tray Tool installed, may be due a determined setting, it is a wondeful tool, you can manage lot of settings.

But using ATI Tool, and Riva Turner, i was able to found, my video card fan never reches it 100%, it never pass 91%.

Now i was able to enforce it to reach its 100% RPM, it is a very good help.

Plus with ATI Tool, y was bale to "underclock" video card GPU Core and Memories.

Just a little bit, default value was 520/560 core/memories, i set them at 510/550 core/ memories...............

And glitches and artifacts disapears completelly.

I cant understand, because this program has a Core and Memory test for glitches (artifacts) and my test results give me my limits to have artifacts under full load and under heat are 538/585, default settings are very under those values.

Any way, reducing a little bit core and memories frecuencies, glitches (artifacts as the program call them) disapears completely from the game, i do not made too many tests, but i was able to play for hours with no glitches.

Still testing, any new i will share, may be of some utility for another people.

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Redwine sir glad to hear you got it to work so far :)

Another possible experience I have had is interference of Tray Tools and the possible use of multiple hardware profiles.

Are you using different configurations or profiles?

I had a problem like that using different hardware - I have a Voodoo card for Glide API games and a x800 for SH3...

In any case good to hear you back in the water sir. :up:


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Yes... :rock: finally i win :smug:

Well ... the fact is i pay lot of more money than an XT for to have XT PE core and memory frecuencies, and now i must to reduce them........ :damn:

Thanks to ATI and its m.... :down:



Nop, Wolfram, not multiple hardware profiles..........

But i have multiple drivers profiles, one set of setting in example for me and SH3, and another set of settings for my kid and his Unreal.

I think so it is normal....

I am really interesting in to have ATI Tray Tool working, it is so good.

Was 510/550 low enough or is it even slower now?

It is at 510/550 right now, but may be i will make test to found the critical value, almost to know it, in example 515/555.

The extrange here is the ATI Tool has a test to obtain them, and critical values determined by this test are so far from my settings, and so far from factory settings. :hmm:

The test found as critical artifact generation points as 538/585 with the highest themperature the card can reach (78*c), very far from factory settings 520/560 :hmm: :hmm:

Any way i have not FPS problems at any game or simulator, i have no need to rise up fecuencies.

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/3...acts9vg.th.jpg

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http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/4753/hook39km.th.jpg

But ... the fact i had payed for those frecuencies and now i cant use them. :stare:

Ok Redwine was a shot in the dark anyway sir - was one of things I had was/is multiple hardware profiles for 2 cards I am using. There was a conflict with Tray Tools and 3DFX at first till I did some work arounds.

g/l sir

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Understand.....

One curious thing is another games do not have artifact even after play them by hours ( my kid with Unreal 1 in example )

May be because my failure frecuencies are 538/585, but i can undestand why SH3 have failures under those values, even at default factory clocks. :dead: :hmm:

Redwine you try out the artifact tester then with Tray Tools?

I Guessing you did but if not it may help at least narrow the ranges down to more acceptable - I dunno this may even be one for the Guru3D crew; good bunch they always helped me out especially with specifics like you have for information....

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Yes right, i made the test with the artifact stress test from ATI Tool.

This test give me my stress values are :

538/585

Factory values are :

520/560

It is soupose i must have not any artifact under the stress point from the test, and it is true for all other games but SH3.

In SH3 i eliminates the artifacts at :

510/550

May be i can increase these values a little bit, but i am not worry for FPS, as you can see at my screen shots, i have good FPS, enought to play well the game.




I never was at their forum, i do not know anybody there.
Will take a look.

Still sharing anything i can discover ...........

My best regards, Red

:cool: Always good to exchange ideas here is direct link to ATi drivers section but also maybe other sections there can help also:

http://forums.guru3d.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=46

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