You are basically right about the snorkel in late war operations. The exact use the snorkel was given is following (Source: Iron Coffins & Uboat.net): During the day the U-Boots operating in british waters from 1944 onwards moved at slow speeds and 50+ meters depth using their electric engines. They avoided so the risk of being observed or detected by enemy planes from high altitude (The U-Boot is visible from above as you said...it is a big shadow in the water). During the nighttime, Boots equipped with snorkel raised to snorkel depth and ventilated + charged their batteries. U-Boots with no snorkel had to surface and run decks awash with an eye in the radar detector, ready to crash dive. Diesels were put to as many revolutions as the recharging dynamos could stand -to make a faster reload- and fingers crossed to be able to put a good load of electricity before the Boot was detected :arrgh!:

Conclusion: The fix by Jungman is hostorically speaking a correct mod, but if you operate with your U-Boot as it was doen in real life, even the normal RUB setting should not cause you trouble. Of course if you insist in going historically wrong (Use of snorkel during the day) you will have an aditional, non-historically realistic disadvantage by the exagerated detectability of your snorkel. :damn:

So, play realistically and you will be rewarded!!! :up:

RUb 1.43 and 1.44 uses same AI_Sensors.dat and neither one of them has Jungman's snorkel fix. This one http://koti.mbnet.fi/sh3/files/AI_Sensors.7z is something I made for those who want to have RUb AI_Sensors.dat with snorkel fix.

Jungman's SonarDC_Snorkel_fix AI_Sensors.dat differs from RUb AI_Sensors.dat. Don't really know which one is better but at the moment I'm using the RUb version.

OK. I understand. It's a file you have done. Thank's Sturm.

The thing I wonder is in 1.43 CCIP hav made some ASW mod. Is that mod in Ai_sensors?

From Rub read me you can also see that Jungmanns sonarfix is included.

The question is, if you take a Rub Ai_sensors who is modded for snorchel by CCIP and then add Jungmanns tweaking of mast height. I wonder if not that file will be too nerfed? (speculating here)

What I can understand so have CCIP changed the radarvisibility settings in Ai_sensors (is that right CCIP?) and Jungmann changed the mast height of snorchel. And if we now use a Rub Ai_sensors and use Jungmanns tweaking we will have both this moddings in the same file. Maybe the snorchel will be too nerfed and mayby even invisible then?

I just want to bring up this cos I wonder. Not any critics at all.

This is what is says about Ai_sensors in Rub 1.44 read me :

1.43
050720: Added a new ASW mod. Mod by CCIP based on work done previously by gouldjg, Jungman, Jace11 and TimeTraveller. (AI_Sensors.dat, DC_X_H.sim, DC_X_H.zon, Depth_charges.sim, Depth_charges.zon, Shells.zon). This includes Jungman's latest sonar fix.

1.3
050523: Late war sonar and depth charge effectiveness adjusted. Sonar mod by Jungman (data\Library\AI_Sensors.dat, DepthCharges.zon)

So what I can see is that in 1.3 Jungmanns sonarfix is included.
Then in 1.43 CCIP have added a ASW fix and Jungmanns sonarfix is included.

My question is is the CCIP ASW fix in Ai_sensors? If yes we maybe will have two snorchel tweaks then if adding Jungmanns modification.
:hmm:

And, if there are only two modifications in Rub Ai_sensors then maybe it's not so complicated to have it included in Rub.

Before Jungmanns snorchelfix I was always spotted by airplanes when using snorchel. Like a magnet! (using Rub)

Actually this snorkel fix doesn't change the snorkel height. It changes AI's ability to spot visual objects, meaning with min height set to 1m, AI can't spot targets which height is less than 1m from sea level.

Where can I Download:

"Jungman's SonarDC_Snorkel_fix AI_Sensors.dat "

I want the stand alone version please (non RuB).

Thanks

Quite a while back I made a reply to the thread we were all discussing about the snorkel then (it is "For those who think the XXI sunks" if you're interested). I made a post about the deepest you can run with the snorkel and still recharge batteries. Here is that post:

Thanks. I will put this into RUb right away.

Thanx for the link Sturm.

This can get kinda confusing, thanks for sorting it out.

:up:

Would this not affect the AI spotting your periscopes?

OK, forgive my less detailknowing in this. Have CCIP made any tweaks in Ai-sensors for Rub?

Don't know, I haven't tested it. Maybe Jungman knows it better.

You have to ask CCIP. All I know about this is how Jungman made the snorkel fix.

Beery, you said you would add this to RUb right away...does that mean that the RUb 1.44 on your site for download has been updated or that it will be in the next release of RUb?

I'm not so sure now that the result of AI having a lessened ability to see periscope heads would be a bad idea. The AI overall is usually VERY good at spotting you in any condition. (IMHO)

It would still mean that you shouldn't be careless with periscope usage in anything but the calmest of seas.

Regarding snorkel usage speeds... 5-6 knots max speed while employing the snorkel is in line with the U-Boat Commander's Handbook which recommends 5-6 knots operational speed for small boats like the type II and 6-7 knots for larger boats... and that is surface speed.

I really like what Jungman has done with the snorkel.

Beery, you said you would add this to RUb right away...does that mean that the RUb 1.44 on your site for download has been updated or that it will be in the next release of RUb?