Borey, sevdvinsk and lada amur - are these new boats? Never heard of them...

Borey is the new Russian SSN.
sevdvinsk is the new SSBN
lada/amur is the new SSK and SSG.

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borey is the new SSBN and is in active service
sevdvinsk is the new SSN/SSGN
and lada amur is the new SSK/SSG

Heh, I wonder if they'll manage to keep this one afloat? They haven't done such a good job with the Xia (s)

Still, it's always worth keeping an eye on China's military, sometimes it can be quite virulent

reportidly in 1985 china lost a xia class SSBN in the yellow sea so only one was left that and the lone elderly golf SSB which by the way is still in service with china :o

By operational I mean 80% could go flying and fight right now if they got the call.

I believe the SMT upgrade should have long been completed by now (whether it was and to what extent I can't find any information on). That was slated for 150 MiG-29s that were built in the last decade. And then withdraw the unmodernized ones from service, which would be a good idea.

You got any pics of them and info? How do they compare to american subs.

il post once i finnish the can you guess number 3 post

I checked google, the borey looks like delta with Alfa conning tower or something, but it's just some drawing.. If you have photos, would be interesting.

BTW, I thought all Typhoons were out of service, but you list them as operational?

only three typhoons are out of service we do know TK17 and TK20 are still active and will be active till 2008

TK208 dmitri donoskoy is active she is still testing the beluva missiles the ones ment to go in the borey

the picture you refer to on google is of the sevdvinsk class

as of this moment i have only a render of a borey no offical picture has been released and its unlikely too yet given that the borey only enterd full swing in january

Kapitain, wouldn't you say 25 new SSNs in 10 years is a wee bit optimistic? :)

I would say 'no' 10 years ago, but Russia has much more money now, so Im not so sure today. If they plan to fully upgrade the fleet to 4th gen subs, they might do it. Remember, for them the SSBN is probably THE most important factor at keeping the agressors out in case of an all out country vs counry war. All of Russian army and Fleet is just that - a defense measure, so I think they'll do just enough to get those subs going, but of course it bettern not be done at the expense of the economy like it was in the USSR.

no considering 4 sevdvinsks are in some stage of construction all ready

3 boreys are either compleate or being constructed (one is at sea and one sevdvinsk is reported floating readying for sea trials and another possibly ready for launch this is from javier a friend of mine in spain)

only one other lada has been laid down

consider in 10 years russia managed to launch what 70 maybe hitting 80 submarines cold war

so 21 shouldnt be a problem however it is doubt full but work has been going on since 1995 and one source reports sevdvinsk already at sea

http://www.bellona.no/imaker?sub=1&id=10120

this report says a sevdvinsk is in commission

http://www.bellona.no/en/internation...els/28907.html

this was in 2003 however construction has sped up just look at kugar and rys they came down the slip way within months of each other

reports in that there could be as many as 15 boreys going to see this would acctualy seem likely and if putin stays in power you can count on the full 15

http://www.bellona.no/en/internation...els/34010.html