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Kapitan 09-14-05 08:15 AM

could be after the collision with gato

retired1212 09-14-05 02:12 PM

The Russian Submarine used for filming the movie was sold to a group in Rhode Island to be used as an exhibit.


The writer Tom Stoppard, as script doctor, did a re-write uncredited on the script.


The actual K-19 was a Hotel class Ballistic Missile Submarine. The Sub used in the movie is a modified Juliet Class Guided Missile Submarine. The Rescue sub in the film apears to be SSK 73 RCN Onondaga which was a Royal Canadian Navy Submarine of the Ojibwa Class (Improved British Oberon Class or Super O's) which was launched on September 25 1965 (4 years after the K-19 incident).


The Soviet sailors that survived the events depicted in this movie heartily approved of the director's take on it, but were amused by the "Hollywoodized" elements.


The submarine that ties up along side K-19 and rescues the crew appears to be an Oberon Class (British Royal Navy class name, may differ elsewhere) diesel submarine with the sonar dome near the bow removed.


Both the rescue sub and the American destroyer were former Canadian warships. The American destroyer was actually an 'Improved Restigouche' Class Canadian destroyer escort which was decommissioned in the mid-'90s. This class did not have a flight deck for a helicopter. Both ships used were stationed in Halifax, Nova Scotia, home of the Canadian Atlantic fleet. Halifax was used in shots of the K-19 departing for sea. In the background of that shot, Canadian warships can be seen.


Tonic water was used to simulate radioactive water in the reactor. The quinine in the tonic water made it glow.


Upon reading the film's script, the surviving crewmembers were so incensed that they sent an open letter to Ford, Bigelow, Whitaker, and Jaffe, expressing their dismay. Among the less-than-credible details they objected to were profane language, the animosity between the two highest commanding officers, insubordination among the crew, drunk crewmembers, the attempted mutiny, the guns (which are kept under seal in a secret location), and the handcuffs (which were only used by and available to cops).


The boat's real Russian nickname was Hiroshima.


K-19 suffered a fire in 1972 that killed 28 people.


In real life the K-19 was under the command of Capt. 2nd rank Nikolaj Zateev. The position of executive office was held by Capt.-Lt. Vladimir Yenin.


The rescue of K-19 was performed by the S-270 submarine under the command of Capt. 3rd rank Zhan Sebrilov.


In November 1969, the K-19 collided with the USS Gato (the latest USN attack sub at the time) at a depth of 200 ft, in the Barents Sea near Edge Island.


The submarine used in the film was once owned by a finnish businessman J. Komulainen and was open to the public. It also was used in a Finnish TV comedy "Vintiƶt" (1994) in its opening sequence.


Natalia Vintilova has the only female speaking role in the whole movie.

Kapitan 09-14-05 02:22 PM

few errors

nikolai zatayev was a captain 1st rank as the soviets would never put a second rate or 3rd rate captain in charge of the newest submarine for fear of lack of experiance hence why the rescuing subs which were diesl were under command by younger less experianced and less ranked officers

jan svedelov was commander of S270 he was young infact a tad younger than zatayev

all the ships used in the film bar K19 were from canada K19 herself was played by submarin B414 now on display 9and she is sea worthey on all accords)

and the survivng crew sued the film makers for distorting the facts that dipect them as drunk and incompatent

the real K19 was towed to a scrap yard mid 2002 and scrapping began in 2003 its estimated the sub will be finaly dismantled by the end of 2005

Type941 09-14-05 02:49 PM

I hope they won the lawsuit.

Kapitan 09-14-05 03:11 PM

i think they did they had many many many people behind them including the internationaly recognised igor kurdin and many others including admirals and other high ranking officals

retired1212 09-14-05 07:06 PM

Oops! sorry I forgot to mention the source of my C&P

http://imdb.com/title/tt0267626/trivia

Seems that I was misguided by them :yep:

If you can give me the source of your infomation then I will contact them and ask to change the information

tycho102 09-14-05 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitain
and the survivng crew sued the film makers for distorting the facts that dipect them as drunk and incompatent

Incompetent? I don't understand. When the hell did anything in the movie point to "incompetence"? Is this just a cultural thing? Like, the Russians felt they were being portrayed as incompetent?

Because I don't know of anyone that felt the crew were incompetent. I sure as heck didn't. I know people that felt the god damn Politiboro were incompetent, myself included, but not the crew.

Quite the contrary, in fact. It took metal balls just to watch the movie. Dunno what it took in real life, but it had to be something similar. Russians have always been hardcore...

Kapitan 09-15-05 01:29 AM

hard core maybe but even the hardest have feelings

i have a tape that talks about the true story of K19 and on that tape senior members of the admiralty (ret.) state this could damage the truth of the matter and be twisted causing us to look like idiots

its what they feel its something we cant see dont forget its them being portrayed not us


as for the captain no one in any mind would ever run around the boat screaming he is a hero the polit beureau staff would have him shot for treason and for underminding soviet influence and power

Type941 09-15-05 06:41 AM

The reason they may not appear incompetent to the outsider is because the Hollywood image of a russian navy men was always the same - they drink, they screw up at work, and than do heroic things to fix it. That's incopetent and stupid-brave. I would think that those who served in the Russian navy might have a different view.

Kapitan 09-15-05 07:47 AM

hollywood always portrays russians as:

drunks
incompatent
stupid
arrogant
backwards

this is why they are fighting for thier names the names which hollywood put a big slur on :(

Type941 09-15-05 08:01 AM

tycho, imagine that in all, say, french movies, americans were depicted as predominatly overweight. That's the kind of stereotyping of Russians they are fighting against.

Besides, if anyone's interested, Russia has always been a beer drinking nation up until the communist revolution. Beer drinking as Germany, and Scandinavia. Only after the revolution I've read that Vodka was a plan to be made much more 'available' as it was much better to dumb down the masses. I don't know how true that is, but a recent upsurge in Beer consumption and a steady decline in Vodka consumption in Russia has been partly attributed to that it's more natural 'alcoholic beverage' of choice for russians.

True or not - i don't know, but I found it very interesting. I personally always viewed vodka as low class.

Kapitan 09-15-05 08:10 AM

i dont drink beer vodka i do :stare:

Type941 09-15-05 08:12 AM

I don't drink, period. :up: My view on alcohol drinking is more of the exreme side, don't get offended. :|\

Kapitan 09-15-05 08:56 AM

lol im not your entitled to your opinion and me mine as it goes i dont drink that often even in the pub i dont drink often infact last time i had a vodka was about 3 weeks ago.

god dam it i need a drink :yep:

Type941 09-15-05 09:21 AM

Last time I had a drink was last f.... OH CRAP. :rotfl:


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