LOL; incredible how roles changed...

Back in SC days it was me posting disappointed depressing stuff like Xabba and jsteed above, and was usually told to "keep the faith" and not to rock the boat ;)

Now with DW I came to realise we have to live with what we have... and apparently it's turn for some other "old hands" to feel the disappointment...

I play DW at least couple times per week, enjoy it a lot, and learned to live with it's remaining quirks. In fact my pet peeve lately is unrelated to the game engine itself, it's that quality user made scenarios are rare, and too many times I wasted couple hours on what turned out to be a buggy or badly documented user made mission :down:

Come on, lets give SCS guys some credit. I assume they are disappointed by certain lack of commercial success of DW, but patch will eventually come. As for the lack of commercial success, we could analyse it till cows come home... perhaps it's the publisher fault? Lack of retail distribution? Perhaps we as fans did too little too late to promote this title in our "circles"? Perhaps the goals were set unrealistically high?

I think some vital publishers, and small dev teams showed that wargaming and simming are not dead, SCS is just very specific...

I am sure Jamie will chime in in this thread too...

Also, knowing how slow and methodical Thom has always been in his work, it's not like DWX would appear anytime soon, even if 1.02 is released tomoroow, right? :smug:

O.

We have been working very hard and are on the verge of a retail deal so that we all can see DW on the shelves in the very near future. The last thing that we would like to do is to give the impression that we are abandoning DW at this juncture when you (the community) will be of utmost importance.

In other words, as DW begins to receive some marketing attention, the product awareness begins to build, and interested customers come here to Subsim.... we need you (the core customer base) to help convince these prospective consumers that DW is a good way to spend their money. Personally, I come in the forums and do not get that sense whatsoever. If you want DW to succeed, we need your help in reinforcing the positive reviews with real player experiences (AARs, etc) and overall enthusiasm.

If you do not believe in the product, then perhaps just as many of the simulation media pundits have predicted, DW will not succeed in retail as many of the simulations of late have not. But I don't understand why we can't at least fight hard for DW to succeed? I certainly am going to try!

Confused... :huh:

Jamie,

I am confused as to why the database released with DW is a reflection of a product in early Beta rather than a retail simulation.

The fact that you talked about the retail version of the game and nothing at all about v1.02 tells me they are exactly the same thing.

Why are you confused that we are upset at you for asking us to buy and support a product that received less than your full effort?

I can't think anything but that, because I have spent weeks modding changes you guys could have done in three hours or less, WITHOUT compromising national security. :up:

Why do AI platforms all share only two passive sonar models? Why is the database equipped to handle features that you didn't impliment in the 1.0?

The sound vs. speed fix? Changes to a few values in thrusts. Come on guys, we are all smarter than your last post gives us credit for.

Ditto. There are so many simple things that could have been fixed...

I've been to a few forums for fairly complex games, and one thing to realize is that it's VERY easy to miss an obvious bug during betatesting. I have NO CLUE why this is, since many of the bugs I've seen in various places a blatently obvious :88) , but since it's so prevalent, it can't reflect poorly on any specific developers.

That being said, it would still be nice to get a regular patch update every month or month-and-a-half. Maybe Sonalysts could simply list the changes they've added so far, and that definitely work? That way, there would be no unrealistic hype or inflated expectations, but the community could be sure there is progress going on, and maybe we can stop complaining about the issues that have been fixed! :ping:

Hi,

What said LuftWolf is right. Of course, it doesn’t mean that SCS job with DW was not good. I still think that this simulation is at the top of everything that is on the market nowadays, but I have to admit that for the lack of some “bugs fixing�, I have to restrain my choice of sub when playing MP due to fairness with other players. I mean by that, as a Kilo driver, a sub that I love most, I decided not to use it anymore as long time as the infamous BB bug will not be fix. :cry:

To be honest .. I don't mind bugs in DW .. I just want some new stuff.
New drivable platforms, better sound propagation simulation, bugfix, or just better graphics. I'm lucky with every modded texture too ! I play missions, quickmissions, campaign again and again. But what I like most, is to learn new stuff. I'm testing all platforms, all weapons, all skills. When somebody releases DB or doctrine mod, I download it and I learn how it work, then I try some missions, or even some campaign part and I see how the gameplay changed. This is GREAT :up:
This is also why I so desperatelly want upgrades, because you developer guys can make best ones. Anyway .. if there was a kit to build new drivable platforms by myself, THAT would really rock.

I wasn't trying to rock the boat, was just wanting some info...

I still think DW is great but I have had a lot going on of late so haven't been able to sit down and play the sim,

You see I am eager to get models out to improve the look of a good sim that has the mechanics, I like my eye-candy, but for it to be done efficiently I would like to see DWX incorporate them.

I am glad Jamie has answered my question. I am happy with that and it is good to know he has time to post.

We should have a sticky thread titled, why you should play DW....

:down: :nope:

These two emoticons instead of the longer and angry reply that I originally had written.

Fix the job you have been payed for by every customer so far. Just a fair demand of ours, since we all payed the full price you demanded. And since you do not seem to be aware - a vast majority of people here is VERY forgiving about your attitude towards them - six months for a final patch is... I bite my lips. :shifty:

Hi

Just give us some news on the patch. Xabbas original plea is very reasonable. Still being worked on? What things have been fixed, what are you planing to include? How much of your resources are available to finish the great job you started with 1.01 and after. (we do have a sticky thread with almost 30 pages with exemplary developer community interaction) :up:

Until we have any facts about the patch future, I won't voice any opinion on either SCS or the community. It's human nature to want know... It's like having pets, you have to feed them something at some point, or they start bad behaviour... ;)

Cheers Porphy

Now it's our fault, expecially mine , if we don't have the game working :rotfl: :rotfl:

I think SA have definetely lost the faith of remeining fans, sorry to say mine has already gone much time ago.

The sad side of the story is that this is one of the greatest community I have ever seen and it doesn't deserve this and above all it doesn't have to pay for SA marketing failures.

Boomer

P.S. of course I invite you all to boicot every game will be released from SA until DW will be fixed with 2 more patches , it's up to us to show a spine or be passive worms.

Search some mustard, Boomer. You're just about to get grilled. :D

@jamie:
so you want us, the community, to do what? Yelling around how great and unbeatable the game is? I'm sorry to tell you but its not. its one of the best naval(sub) sims ever, thats for sure, BUT also it is not really finished imho. there are alot of bugs to fix, things to balance and so on.

also it is nice to have the variety of platforms but then again, most people just want MORE. we are still a very patient sort of community and one of the most enjoyable too i must admit, but for sure there should be a sign of activity from SA's side from time to time and im afraid that a "we are still alive" wont be enough on the long therm.

What about addons by the way? I think its sad that we have a few VERY good modelers in our communtiy wich simpy arent ALLOWED to do an addon just because SA is probably, somewhere in future, but most likley never, planing to do some addons. i can see that you want to make money but seriously, i think the profit from the game should be good enough given the..... advanced price.

cooling down................
ok.
to every potentional customer i can say this: it IS of corse worth the money and even with the bugs VERY playable, especially MP is a blast. dont get yourself fooled by the "flaming", its just because we are here and waiting for pretty long now.

Disclaimer: NOT meant as flaming, badmouthing or anything else wich can be considered as "not nice".

I agree entirely with jsteed -Only LuftAms mods and mission design keep me engaged. The jury is out and I may return solely to SCX MP.

Three major concerns :-
1. Bugs/faults diminish faith in the games credibility.
2. Lack of SA action raises cynical fears that the new retail version will incorporate a DWX + patch
and existing users may have to pay to upgrade.
3. I have observed that a significant number of serious, skilled and dedicated converts from SC/SCX
appear to have deserted DW. Optimisticaly some folk are just on long, long holidays.

SA must wake up to the fact that their user base is not solely possessed by them alone - we are not 'Sole Users'
many gamers actively operate several titles and Falcon, IL2, Steel Beasts and Harpoon are all making quantam leaps forward...............................right now !!

DW is a 'favourite'of mine from 2 years SC experience but patience is now beginning to fade fast !!

...still no detail on ??upcoming?? patch.....