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Gizzmoe 08-18-05 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wynnstate101
ILLEGAL THINGS?!?! I bought this game. What, exactly, is illegal about trying to play it by any means neccesary? I mean, come one, do you really expect me to just obediently return the game and come home and sit down, content that I should not be able to play it?

At home you can do whatever you like, nobody in here cares about that. But as I wrote, questions about cracks are not allowed in this forum. If you didn´t know that yet, cracks are illegal in most countries.

stratege 08-18-05 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Beery
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Originally Posted by wynnstate101
ILLEGAL THINGS?!?! I bought this game. What, exactly, is illegal about trying to play it by any means neccesary? I mean, come one, do you really expect me to just obediently return the game and come home and sit down, content that I should not be able to play it?

As I see it, this is not a question of piracy. It's a simple matter of buying a round peg for a round hole. You have purchased a square peg for a round hole, and you're blaming the peg's designers because it won't fit. Either return the peg and get one that will fit, or buy the right hole for the peg.

Does it say on the box that you should be able to play it on your OS? If not, then buying the game was perhaps not the smartest decision. I would dearly like to play 'Destroy All Humans' on my PC, but it's only available for PS2 and X-Box. PC is not supported. If I went out and bought the X-Box version of the game, then tried to get it to work on my PC, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work. In that case buying the game would have been a poor decision on my part. It is not the game's fault, because the game says clearly that it's only meant to work on an X-Box. I'm sure you will find a similarly clear notice about OS compatibility on the SH3 box. Mine says:

"Supported OS: Windows XP/2000 (only)"

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

A Windows game requires Windows. It is a prerequisite for playing the game. Get Windows if you're determined to play it.


Yes, you are right....


... but, it doesn not say windows XP 32 bits only.

The winx64 i get from microsoft is labelled:

"windows xp pro 64 edition" wich may be confusing.

Let me explain my point of vue.

What is windows XP. I DON"T KNOW, this product does not exist !!!!

Windows XP family edition exist.
Windows XP PRO edition exist.
I know this is all semantics here, but i don't see ( ignoring technical knoledge here ) a big difference between le two last sentences and:
Windows XP PRO edition 64.

Considering :
- that we are only a few to have a real knowledge of the main differences between the three editions of windows xp,
- the advertissement made about the retro-compability between 64 bits os and 32 bits operating systems using the emt64 registry system

I firmly beleive sh3 should be compatible with ANY xp products. Some games are clearly showing "requieres win98, win XP family or pro to be run'

As i said before, this is only semantics.

Know, i you read back my thread, you will see that sh3 is winx64 compatibles. This is not the games wich is not compatible, this is simply a small part of the anti-piracy software.


To finish my sentances here, you were right, but also, ubosoft claim about XP compatible and 2000 system only is unclear !!!!!

If you look at microsoft products layout, all the XP editions are part of the sameproduct family.

xp family, xp pro, xp 64 edition are the same thing (supposely)....

kiwi_2005 08-18-05 06:43 AM

wynnstate101 They are right although i understand the problem you are having but putting your problem on this website will only get you band or your thread locked.
What im guessing is you installed the game and out of frustration the game wont load so u tried the C***K but not even that worked?

Dont ask questions like this on subsim unless you wanna get slammed and depthcharged. For all the help try the forums at EDIT they will sovle your problem and even show you how to disable starforce for good! :D

Good luck in getting your game running[/b]

Mod: STRIKE 1

Gizzmoe 08-18-05 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
For all the help try the forums at <bad, bad link!> they will sovle your problem and even show you how to disable starforce for good! :D

Good luck in getting your game running[/b]

"Nothing will get you banned faster than pointing people to illegal software distribution sites." ;)

stratege 08-18-05 06:50 AM

OK, NOW THIS IS REALLY SUPPORTING PIRACY.

THIS IS REALLY BAD TO GIVE LINKS.

talking like me about testing sh3 with a winx64 and founding/reporting behaviors is already seen as an bad act, but you did the bad jobs.

PLEASE, DO NOT DO IT AGAIN.

jumpy 08-18-05 06:59 AM

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If you didn´t know that yet, cracks are illegal in most countries.
For me SHIII works a treat with basic XP, asside from the occasional ctd. But for my '2pence' the only consistent game I play online is Medal of Honor Spearhead. I got this game with the official Medal of Honor 'War Chest' collection to replace the original single disks which were all scratched and knackard (Allied Assult/Spearhead/Breakthrough). Having paid around 30 quid for this and having my system meet the requirement for the game specs, I was very dissapointed to discover that both Spearhead & Breakthrough will not run with the game CD's- repeat error: please insert the correct disk into CD drive!
So, having bought a legal copy of the game from a licenced store I find that the only way to get my legally purchased game to run on my (game spec. conforming) pc, was to resort to 'other alternatives' failing that give my favourite online game back and get a refund, then use my refund to go and buy some baige socks to go with the open-toed sandals that I should now be wearing :shifty:
Quite who is at fault here concerning the games lack of functionality, I do not rightly know. But I know this: If I wanna play it I have to bend the rules slightly and given that I have done everything straight up and honestly obtaining the game in the first place, I fail to see what other recourse was left me- other than to not play.

Piracy is wrong, but so is releasing a defective product and expecting people who bought it not to try and 'fix' the game so it does work for them on machines which adhere to the manufacturer's system/region specification. The fact that some of us have to resort to frowned upon methods is indicative of the more worrying problem of manufacturers expecting joe-public to bend over, spread 'em and take it all the way up with a stiff upper lip and not complain when a product doesn't work; or expect the product to be returned to the manufacturer for the defects to be fixed. You wouldn't expect a new car to not be supplied with the right ignition key, so why should supposedly 'final release' software to be any different?
[/rant over] ;)

@ kiwi_2005
DON'T POST LINKS TO PLACES LIKE THAT DUDE, IT'S A SURE FIRE WAY TO GET BANNED IF YOU DO... IF NEEDS BE, KEEP IT OUT OF THE FORUM AND DISCUSS IT ELSEWHERE

Gammel 08-18-05 07:00 AM

Re: silent hunter 3
 
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Originally Posted by wynnstate101
...I just get a black screen after I click of the shortcut with the fixed exe. Anybody know how to fix this?

maybe the your modified .exe file works ok, but the game refuses to play the intro video... :hmm:

most video codecs are 32bit only, as far as i know.
Try disabling the intro video (there are solutions how to do somewere here in the forum)

My suggestion:
Make a dual OS install.

1. 32bit MS os (best win2k)
2. 64 bit winXP

kiwi_2005 08-18-05 07:09 AM

That site i gave does not support piracy they are clearly against it! I cannot see what is all the FUSS ABOUT helping a guy that has trouble with installing a game with that mongrel Starforce. Who cares anyhow theres a way of disabling starforce so ubisoft romaina wasted there time! HA!

Gizzmoe 08-18-05 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
That site i gave does not support piracy they are clearly against it!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Thanks for the good laugh!

:roll:

kiwi_2005 08-18-05 07:34 AM

:D :up: at least your got a sense of humor. No but its true they dont. They even give a warning that they are against copying and before you enter there site you should know this. Put it this way, ring a mircosoft tech and ask him can or does he know of a way to get around a starforce protected cd. They will be happily to give you advice. Trying to make your game run and get around starforce is not illegal.

I can't see what all the fuss is about, im not helping the guy to dl a copy of sh3 or anything like that. Here at my work we all use C**Ks so we can protect our orignals. Its a common thing.

RAM 08-18-05 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Thanks for the good laugh!

:roll:



they have a pretty big disclaimer in their start page saying that the page itself and it's contents are to be used only by those who are legal owners of the games they download cracks for...and it's indeed used by many legal customers who simply don't want to be changing CDs all day long to start the games they own. I have been one of them several times in the past. And to be true, if there was a no-DVD crack for SHIII v1.4b, I would be using it right now. And I'm a legal customer and owner of SHIII.

So no, IMO, that's not an illegal site as they don't support piracy. That many people who use it are pirates is not their fault...then again, we all know there are many more places to get no-CD cracks ,and much easier than that way, than on web pages so in the end who cares...

Gizzmoe 08-18-05 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
No but its true they dont.

Yeah, you can download thousands of cracks there, but they are against piracy... :roll:

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Trying to make your game run and get around starforce is not illegal.
Maybe not in NZ, but, for example, in Germany and the US it is.

Regarding my sense of humor... I hope they kick you out. If, for some reasons, the moderators don´t see this thread I´ll send them a message by tomorrow morning, just to make sure that they see what you wrote. In addition I´ll point them to the "edit the registry to circumvent SF" post that you wrote a few days ago. We will see what happens then. I see it as my duty as a Subsim moderator to report this, even if it´s not "my" forum.

Gammel 08-18-05 08:43 AM

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Maybe not in NZ, but, for example, in Germany and the US it is.
Illegal definiert sich meiner Auffassung nach dadurch, daß ein Tatbestand bzw. Sachverhalt strafrechtlich verfolgt wird oder werden kann.
Beispiel: Drogenbesitz, Körperverletzung, Diebstahl

Umgehung der Kopiersperre urheberrechtlich geschützter Werke wird in der Bundesrepublik nicht strafrechtlich verfolgt (Sofern es sich um eine Privatperson handelt), kann daher nicht als illegal bezeichnet werden.

Außerdem interessant:


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Gelten die Kopierschutz-Umgehungsverbote auch für Software-Produkte ?
Ein klares NEIN.

Gemäß § 69 a Abs.5 UrhG finden die Umgehungsverbote auf Software keine Anwendung. D.h. es darf weiterhin die übliche Sicherheitskopie der Original-CD gefertigt werden.

In der Praxis wird diese Unterscheidung jedoch zu erheblichen Abgrenzungs-Problemen führen. So hat z.B. die Mehrzahl der heutigen Computerspiele zumeist umfangreiche Musik- und Film-Dateien mit auf der CD, für die eigentlich die Umgehungsverbote wieder Anwendung finden würden. Was nun für diese Fälle gilt, ist unklar.

Es dürfte sich jedoch die Ansicht durchsetzen, dass die rechtliche Beurteilung nach dem maßgeblichen Teil des Produktes (Schwerpunkt) erfolgt. Bei einem Computerspiel wäre dies im Regelfall also das ablauffähige Programm und nicht das musikalische oder filmische Beiwerk, so dass hier die Software-Vorschriften Anwendung finden würden.
Quelle:
http://www.dr-bahr.com/faq/faq_neues...heberrecht_id2


Fazit: schwierige Rechtslage in Deutschland, aber keinesfalls illegal.

Sorry, this posting is only available in german. It´s about the new copy protection law we have in germany since 2003 and the definition of illegal in general. It´s mainly adressed to Gizzmoe.
Ask terrapin for translation :-j

edit:
@ Gizzmoe
Bitte dieses Posting nicht als persönlichen Angriff verstehen, auch möcht ich mich nicht weiter in eure Diskussion (Streit) hier einmischen. Das es aber bei uns im Lande Illegal sei, einen no-cd Patch für sein gekauftes Produkt zu benutzen, konnt ich aber nicht so stehen lassen. So weit sind wir (noch) nicht. Zivilrechtlich sieht die ganze Sache natürlich anders aus, aber wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter. ;)

Gizzmoe 08-18-05 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gammel
Umgehung der Kopiersperre urheberrechtlich geschützter Werke wird in der Bundesrepublik nicht strafrechtlich verfolgt (Sofern es sich um eine Privatperson handelt), kann daher nicht als illegal bezeichnet werden.

Ok, dann zumindest in den USA, dort regelt es der Digital Millenium Copyright Act. Ich würde es allerdings in Deutschland nicht darauf ankommen lassen und beispielsweise Cracks online veröffentlichen oder darauf verlinken. Da schlägt dann wie in manchen bekannten Fällen das Zivilrecht (erfolgreich) zu. Mir ist es herzlich egal, ob der Staat mich verklagt oder ein Unternehmen, Scheisse ist es in beiden Fällen. :)

John Channing 08-18-05 10:52 AM

READ THE FAQ

Neal's policy on this is clear. If you are still in doubt about why then...

READ THE FAQ.

JCC

ps READ THE FAQ


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