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Wait. Trans athletes are bad-faith actors?

Nice blanket statements we have here.

I don't know who missed the newsletter but sex and gender are different things.

Just spotted the thread title.

THE END OF BINARY ORDER

Hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 2643184)

Wait. Trans athletes are bad-faith actors?

Nice blanket statements we have here.

I don't know who missed the newsletter but sex and gender are different things.

To begin with the simplest one, yes - they are two different things, but this is irrelevant because radicals deny the relevance (or even existance) of biological sex with gender, often self identified gender (ie without transition, remember the whole gender fluid thing where a person could change gender during the conversation?), being the only factor to be considered.

Sure it is a blanket statement (and thus faulty from individualistic perspective), but it does accurately convey the problem - people who transition man->woman have an unfair advantage in female sports competitions, particularly if they have transitioned recently or if they did not actually transition, because radicals demand that those people should not requite to provide evidence that they have transitioned.
South Park did an amusing number there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig

And then there are more clear cut cases of abuse, for example when the guy demanded a lady to wax his male genitalia and sued the practice for being transphobic when she refused. Or where a non transitioned person would go to female prison and assault ladies there... after being convicted for the crimes of the very same sexual nature.

The damage being done to society by the increasing preference to identity politics and the radical non binary gender ideolagy is only begining. What will be the effect of this on young easy impressed children?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jor...-the-classroom

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..and the tenth-rate academic dogmas driving the entire charade, that “identity” is something solely determined by the individual in question (whatever that identity might be). Even sociologists (neither the older, classical, occasionally useful type, nor the modern, appalling, and positively counterproductive type) don’t believe this.

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The continually expanded plethora of “identities” recently constructed and provided with legal status thus consist of empty terms which (1) do not provide those who claim them with any real social role or direction; (2) confuse all who must deal with the narcissism of the claimant, as the only rule that can exist in the absence of painstakingly, voluntarily and mutually negotiated social role is “it’s morally wrong to say or do anything that hurts my feelings”; (3) risks generating psychological chaos among the vast majority of individuals exposed to the doctrines that insist that identity is essentially fluid and self-generating (and here I’m primarily concerned about children and adolescents whose standard or normative identity has now merely become one personal choice among a near-infinite array of ideologically and legally defined modes of being), and (4) poses a further and unacceptably dangerous threat to the stability of the nuclear family, which consists, at minimum, of a dyad, male and female, coming together primarily for the purposes of raising children in what appears to be the minimal viable social unit (given the vast and incontrovertible body of evidence that fatherlessness, in particular, is associated with heightened risk for criminality, substance abuse, and poorly regulated sexual behaviour among children, adolescents and the adults that they eventually become).

I could not agree more with the following.

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The silence of the majority on such issues — driven, I think, by fear of the purposeful and genuinely dangerous social alienation likely to be generated in the wake of any given individual’s objections (regardless of how representative of the majority those objections happen to be) — will, in my opinion, generate a state of affairs among our children and adolescents that we will come in the decades to follow to deeply and profoundly regret.

Given enough time it will collapse on itself when those who push the limits find they are not really any more special or deserving than anyone else.

Since some years back, Swedish news paper does not use words like she, her or he him.

Now they use the word hen
Female is either written as hon(she) or henne(her)
Male is either written as han(he) or honom(him)
so instead they use the word hen in every aspect.

Markus

Maya Forstater, Joanne Rowling. Forstater speakign otu plain reaosn and scinetific fact - and gettin fired for it. Rowling Defending her, earning a massive sh!tstorm.

One has to know that there is a fundamental "civil war" takling place inside radical feminism. the one side, to which Fostater and Rowling seem to be sympathetic, is called trans-exclusive femism, and the other camp around Judith Butler who claims that biological gender is not real but just an arbitrary social construct.

https://www.queer.de/publisher/pics/...-trans-600.jpg

Trans women are women.
Trans men are men.
Non-binary people are non-binary.

CC: JK Rowling.
Human Rights Campaign (@HRC) December 19, 2019

Twitter / HRC

A ****storm - for this ^ ???

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50858919
Reasonable reasons for the judgement - in this ^ ...???

I read quotes of what Forstater said, the media usually summarize it as "transphobic". I do not see any phobic statement there at all, just plain reason and scientific, biological fact. Because its about the genes, stupid.

Its totally idiotic what happens ther ein massacres against reason and science. But brutal reality.

And what is it that Forstaster said and what she got fired for?

LINK Read here.

Loosing your job - for this ^??? Discrimination...? "Phobic"...???

:ping: Its reality, not a scenario of the future they might or might not turn real in the future. Like it is real already whatg I gave in exmaples in an earlier post above: job discmrination of males, male-all-exclusion quotas. Hell, there are 150 chairs for gender "sciences" in Germany. 150...!! Not mone fot hem deals with science, however. None of them has ever released abytjign that even cloesly would qualify for a scientific work. We could as well launch professorships for astrology, or homeopathy and Bach flowers "therapy", or green healing rays by St. Raphael, and healing with stones.

You are wrong, Dowly. From A to Z you are wrong there.

What's it to you, Skybird?

Rejecting cancel culture. rejecting a small noisy minority of ignorrants the right to turn political correctness into existentially threatening fascism in the name of wannabesomethings who are bored by their meaningless life and insist to become a special something, a celebrity-kind of personality that gets applause for nothing than just claiming something and which is in collision mode with science and reason.

Thats what it is to me, Tchocky.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695

Nobody starts being able to breath under water just by claiming he is a fish and wants to be seen as one. And I dont like getting pushed and getting forced to award him for this folly, and getting sanctioned, cancelled, punished if I dont comply.

That all is what it is to me. And what it should be to everybody.

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2643388)

Jesus, would you consider taking a moment and considering how nasty the stuff you type is?

I really would be careful throwing around the word "ignorant" here.

Complaining that others are encouraging fascism because of their ignorance, yelling about bored idiots in the minority with meaningless lives?

If they're bored, Skybird, then what the hell are you?

Be nice for once.

Celebrity personality?

Are you *insane*?

You know nothing of what you speak.

Take a break.

Be nice.

I intend to become a unicorn. I just hesitate which gender :hmmm:

What you demand, is almost personally offensive. By demanding respect for nonsense you tell me to my face that you think I am an idiot. Sorry, I do not respect this nonsense, and I have certainly zero intention to ever play nice when the personal obsessions of others are no longer kept in their private cabin, but insist to take over the rules of public life and language and social standards. You do not let the insane manage the asylum, even less so if they threaten you with punishments, sanctions, "cancellation" as it is called these days if you do not play by their new rules. This all is highly corrosive for society, it costs an awful lot of money to make this mande3ss a cozy plkace that it demands and wants to widen, just to please a handful of nutheads and narcissists who have learned to live by taking themselves as overly important, and the public creates them the stage on which they can wallow in their ego, whatever gender it may feel like on this or that day. Sorry, but not sorry at all, no go with me. Not before I have turned insane myself. Respecting this and be nice on it, would be a frontal assault on reason, intellectual thinking, and what is good and valuable in human nature. A raping of my own standrds and dignity, my own values and my own ethics. You see what problem I have there, yes?

Request denied.

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"I've studied authoritarianism for a very long time - for 40 years - and they're started by people's attempts to control the ideological and linguistic territory," he told the BBC.
"There's no way I'm going to use words made up by people who are doing that - not a chance."
Dr Peterson is concerned proposed federal human rights legislation "will elevate into hate speech" his refusal to use alternative pronouns.
Legal experts disagree.
Bill C-16, currently before Canada's parliament, prohibits discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act on the basis of gender identity and expression. The bill covers the federal government and federally regulated industries like banks or airlines. It also extends hate speech provisions under Canada's criminal code to transgendered people.
"I don't think any legal expert would say using an inappropriate pronoun, while not something that respects the human rights of trans people, would ever result in a criminal conviction," said Kyle Kirkup, a law professor with the University of Ottawa who specialises in gender identity and sexuality law.
But Dr Peterson could face sanction under Ontario's human rights code, which extended protection to trans people in 2012.
Penalties range from fines and damages to mandatory anti-discrimination training.

Mandatory anti-.discmrination traning"...? Where? In Chinese reeducation camaps, maybe? Absolvents get a diploma confirmign they are now qualified for culturally more beautiful opinion-forming?

Crowd, world, everybody - get back to your damn senses. What is left of them.

A parody, in German, for those who understand German. Unfortunately, the starting point - the gender corretc lanbgaue offensive in the olublic amdinstraitona nd services of Hanniover - is not parody, but real. There and in many other cities and districts. When madness becomes pandemic, it turns into the norm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SylSFRcqPgk

The linguistic perversions described ALL ARE REAL IN GERMANY, officials and politicians and media people use this kind of raped German all the time. You can get removed from public services if you refuse to use it. You most likely will have your exam paper rejected and your diploma exam failed if you refuse to write in gender-correct language. You will be barred from tutoring, if you do not surrender. Students and tutors alike must obey it, else they get thrown out and must stop. Reality in Germany, Austria... since years. POrivate, social mobbing and consequences not even counted.

Yeah cancel culture they call it. Fascism I call it.

Great lady: sharp tongue, witty mind, smart and intelligent, charming and humorours and always polite. Not German, but Swiss. Her good looks are an additional benefit, but she must not live of them, her brain alone already justifies the money for the ticket. She runs a great - German-speaking - channel.

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2643272)

Given enough time it will collapse on itself when those who push the limits find they are not really any more special or deserving than anyone else.

I am uncertain. The traditional feminists seem to be following the fate of the brown shirts - once useful to push for identity politics, group rights at the cost of universal individial rights and activist power they are now being slowly purged, with arrests and what not.

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2643417)

I am uncertain. The traditional feminists seem to be following the fate of the brown shirts - once usefull to push for identity politics and group rights at the cost of universal individial rights they are now being slowly purged, with arrests and what not.

Hey maybe don't compare feminism to Nazism.

Just a wild crazy thought.