Some would still claim political asylum due to the apparent Assad’s victory.

And Russia will be so happy to accept them.

Better them then the US

We do not have high benefits for refugees so they do not stay in Russia but rather go elsewhere (ie Europe).

There is also a big NOTAM for Today in around Syria:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dnei_3nXoAAJolu.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dnei_3nXoAAJolu.jpg

:haha:
Of course, like everywhere and since centuries why should countries causing the mess show responsibility and help. Better let others bear consequences, let them clean up the mess, and then complain about them.

Interesting point :hmmm:

Maybe if the West had stayed out of the Middle East and not assisted the mad mullah "Bin Laden" in his fight against the Soviet Union things would be quite different today.

All said and done at least Saddam, Gadaffi and Assad kept the lid on the pressure cooker in their countries be it by ruthless means, or at least that's what our politicians led us to believe, we were also told there were WMD present that we needed to rid the world of.

Back then we didn't have as many lunatics running around Europe killing innocent civilians in their home countries, and even back then the Isrealy's and the Saudi's got to fly about bombing whoever they wanted without any hassle from the UN or NATO.

What happens in these countries should stay in these countries and that includes the natives, there is no place for the European military or Russians in the Middle East, leave them to it IMO.

^ Fair points :yep:

If anything Europeans have washed their hands off Syria and Lybia.

I would agree that the Europeans have given up on the idea of helping to install pro Western governments in liberating (loosely termed) Libya and Syria, however they still maintain a military presence such as France, UK, USA to name a few within the theatre of operations.

I used to follow what was happening in Syria when I was serving in the military however I just saw it all developing into the same old Middle East **** sandwich and as I am no longer serving and required to take a bite I've lost interest over the years.
However I am happy with Russia's involvement in this Campaign, I believe their presence has prevented Isreal in becoming more involved and prevented a "boots on the ground" campaign from a European/US coalition force being deployed and causing further issues.

Who knows what the future will bring, so long as Russia remain in Syria I doubt there will ever be a Starbucks or Costa's in Damascus.

even the dalai Lama, a somewhat naive man who certainly is not suspect of being racist or a war monger, recently said that Europe has no repsnsiblity to accept "refugees" forver, that it should instead trai and educate them and once the war has ended - should send them back to rebuild their countries.


Problem is that today every job and welath mirgant is called a refugee, that Assad announced to perscute and take rvenge on those Syrians betraying thweir country by fleeing from the regime, and many Syrian indeed-refugees got a taste of the good life and have no motivation whatever to ever get back into the primitive hellholes they left behind. In Germany, there are cities and federal states where not even one in ten asylum seekers whose asylum request were rejected, get forced to move out again. In parts it is even local governments of the SPD that are actively boyoctting and violating valid laws and regulations to let just about everybody stay. And even high risk "Gefährder" get permission to stay endlessly, and if they get moved out as happened "by accident" (!!) some weeks ago, the law and campaigners fight to bring these scumbags back to Germany (instead ofbeing happy that we got rid of these dirtbags).


We have gone totally and completely nuts crazy and lunatics over this issue. No more connection to reality. Not even a tiny little rest of it. None. In the end, it is about the socialist EU's nd the Left's drive to annihilate local, historically grown cultural identities of the various people in Europe, to deny that such thigns even exist, so that an identity vacuum is created into which the ideology of the socialist new man shall advance and seize the minds.



As for Russia, Russia#s interrest is to weaken Europe and drive a wedge between Europe and the US, period. That is what is in their interest, and they are very good at it. Russia is what Russia does - why complaining? One could as well complain about a frog squawking, a fish swimming or a scorpion stinging. Its pointless. How to act on Russian action in order to minimse the damage it aims to imply, that is what counts. In other words: not talking, but becoming strong to be able to counter Russian action. The problem is the Europeans want to be seen as strong and be taken as equals, while not being strong.

Then there is the security dilema and projecting your fears unto the other's intentions.

Russia's actions are on open display. They are not just my projections.



What do you want from me? You will hardly find too many people in the West seing Russis as unemotional and rational and non-moralising as I try to do. Most Westerners expect Russia to act to its disadvantage and to act stupid and harming its own interests (as defined by Russia) and national claims. I don't waste your and my time with voicing such demands. And sometimes I take quite some fire for this sober attitude - from Westerners. So for them, I am too Russia-friendly. For Russians and for you, I am not pro-Russian enough.



My favourite place with plenty of space for myself - between all seats. :)

Those unhappy crazy men killing innocent civilians in Europe are nothing compared to the war in Syria itself. What does the total in Europe come to a couple of hundred?

https://today.duke.edu/2018/09/makin...rky-death-toll

Maybe wealthy countries like Saudia Arabia, Kuwait & Jordan should be doing more to support their fellow Muslims in these times of crisis, surely it would better for these people to be relocated to countries that have a similar way of life offering less adjustment to different cultures etc?

Skybird, your perceptions of what our national objectives are warped. But that is beside the point, as in addition to that you forget the security dilemma, which makes your suggested course of action counter productive.